Narcissist is a slur when it’s used in a derogatory sense by someone who does not have the disability. You can say “person with NPD”, or pwNPD for short, or you can avoid insulting someone by alleging mental disability in the first place.
Eh, it depends on the intention behind the word. Narcissistic personality disorder is, by definition, a disability (as are all mental disorders). In practice, it isn’t treated as such because they’re just assholes. Therapy is the only treatment, and the likelihood of a narcissist actually seeking treatment is basically 0.
Most people throw the term around loosely, much like “psychopath.” I’m mainly being pedantic and do agree that it is often the best word to use to describe people who exhibit narcissistic symptoms. Selfish and egotistical can be an understatement for even neurotypical people.
I’m just really interested in psychology and have a compulsion to talk about it to internet strangers who never asked and probably don’t care.
I sought treatment, and most of the pwNPD I know have sought treatment. The primary barriers to actually getting treatment are cost, and lack of trained psychologists. Insurance doesn’t cover personality disorders and therapists don’t know how to help us, other than giving generalised PTSD and cPTSD treatment such as schema therapy.
One can be narcisistic without having a personality disorder. Just like one can be shy without being autistic. If you were diagnosed with a personality disorder, you simply have a “better reason” to act that way than when you’re just an ass.
you clearly have way too much time on your hands which you spend trying to get strangers on the internet to fight. not everyone is as compulsively aggressive on the internet as you seem to be. since you’re so concerned with being fair and politically correct, why dont you ask for a job at your local foodbank? im sure they would appreciate a hand, and you would have to waste far less time online.
I don’t try to make people fight. I want them all to agree with me and not be bigots. Do you think I like being harassed? No, of course not. Your worldview where people like being yelled at is very strange.
you quite literally told me to “argue with this person who disagrees with [me]”. if that is not instigating a fight for your own gain, i dont know what is.
also, very much ironically, wanting everyone to agree with you without the capability to admit you are wrong is, in its own, very narcisitic. which is insanely funny to me.
You picked a fight with the moderate who believes the word is used by ignorants who are unaware of the history, instead of the person whose views are actually opposite your own who thinks it’s only a pathology. It seems to me that both of you want to bully the narcissist out of hate more than a political disagreement, since you have no quarrel with the person who more strongly disagrees with you. Neither of you cares about the content of the arguments you’re making, you just want any excuse to continue using slurs, even if two of the excuses you agree with are mutually exclusive opposites.
You said you think it’s funny that I’m disabled, after all.
this just goes to show that arguing with people on the internet is a waste of time. youre clearly twisting my words into things i have never said, but which you really really want me to have said.
in any case, to illustrate my point once and for all:
Narcissism can be considered both a personality trait and a personality disorder. The trait of narcissism exists on a spectrum, and it isnot uncommon for individuals to exhibit some narcissistic characteristics without meeting the criteria for a full-blown personality disorder.
Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) is a clinical diagnosis in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5). It involves a pervasive pattern of grandiosity, a need for admiration, and a lack of empathy, beginning in early adulthood and present in various contexts. Individuals with NPD often have difficulties maintaining relationships and may exhibit arrogant, entitled behavior.
On the other hand, narcissistic traits can be present in individuals without meeting the criteria for NPD. Some degree of self-centeredness, a desire for validation, and a focus on one's own needs and desires are common aspects of human behavior. It's important to note that having some narcissistic traits doesn't necessarily indicate a personality disorder. Personality traits, including narcissistic traits, exist on a continuum, and it's the severity and impact on one's life that determine whether it rises to the level of a disorder.
Calling someone narcisistic does not automatically equate to a slur or even an insult. Narcisistic traits can be examined from outside and afar, and you do not need to be a therapist to see these behavioural patterns. Looping back to the original comment that started all this - Empress shows narcisistic patterns everywhere in her communication. Calling her narcisistic because she acts narcisistic is an observation, not an insult, not a slur. Just like I can call someone blonde because I have seen their blonde hair. It matters not that narcisism can occur inside of a personality disorder. If I call someone “retarded” because they have NPD, that’s another story. This is not the case here.
Since I already know you could keep arguing back and forth with everyone involved in this steaming mess of a comment tree, I’ll be the bigger person and call it quits. Save yourself the response, we’re too far down the tree for anyone to read it anyways. Any words written are a waste of time. If you need more attention, fight with people further up. I am not worth your time.
Narcissist is a real psychological term. It describes a pathology. Slurs aren’t words you don’t like to be called. You don’t get to make up what is and what isn’t a slur.
Narcissism is generally seen as a negative trait so there already isn’t a non-derogatory way of calling someone a narcissist. Also, there is an acknowledged difference between being a narcissist and having NPD so as much as many here would probably say Empress has some kind of disorder, I bet very few have the credentials to diagnose which means it’s the former, and if we’re being completely honest, it’s a very practical word to describe a person’s behaviour. So I guess it has to be a “chill out, snowflake” moment for you.
All disabilities are seen as negative, but it’s not derogatory to call someone autistic, paraplegic, or blind, unless it’s a deliberate insult. I find your argument unconvincing.
I don’t really care if you find what I say convincing but to make this as simple as possible, name one time it’s considered good to be identified as narcissistic. And please let’s stay relevant and leave out physical disabilities. Only assholes insult the two you named.
pwNPD are, on average, better at magick than neurotypicals. I also generally respect most pwNPD for the trauma they’ve endured and survived. It’s a disability that leads to a lot of suicidality, so being a living pwNPD is an accomplishment.
I also think money is magic, because it’s brought into existence by people’s belief in it. In my book, magic is believing in something so hard it becomes real. Money obviously fits the bill. Do you not think money is magic? What do you think it is if it’s not magic?
Another place where this view falls short is that a person doesn’t need to have NPD to act like a narcissist on a regular basis, the same way a person can be volatile and not meet the criteria for BPD.
No, that’s not true. It’s not true because that’s not how we use disability language. Neurotypicals do not act autistic, and they don’t act ret**ded. Some people do use words that way, because those words are slurs. Likewise, when you insult someone by likening their behaviour to disability by calling them a narcissist, that’s a slur.
Genuine question here, which words are slurs? Crazy narcissist?
I think that user may be referring to Empress herself, not the commenter.
As in, Empress doesn’t need to be using slurs to make her points.
Narcissist is a slur when it’s used in a derogatory sense by someone who does not have the disability. You can say “person with NPD”, or pwNPD for short, or you can avoid insulting someone by alleging mental disability in the first place.
Narcisism isn’t a disability, it’s a personality trait. Just like being selfless. It has nothing to do with disabilities.
Eh, it depends on the intention behind the word. Narcissistic personality disorder is, by definition, a disability (as are all mental disorders). In practice, it isn’t treated as such because they’re just assholes. Therapy is the only treatment, and the likelihood of a narcissist actually seeking treatment is basically 0.
Most people throw the term around loosely, much like “psychopath.” I’m mainly being pedantic and do agree that it is often the best word to use to describe people who exhibit narcissistic symptoms. Selfish and egotistical can be an understatement for even neurotypical people.
I’m just really interested in psychology and have a compulsion to talk about it to internet strangers who never asked and probably don’t care.
I sought treatment, and most of the pwNPD I know have sought treatment. The primary barriers to actually getting treatment are cost, and lack of trained psychologists. Insurance doesn’t cover personality disorders and therapists don’t know how to help us, other than giving generalised PTSD and cPTSD treatment such as schema therapy.
One can be narcisistic without having a personality disorder. Just like one can be shy without being autistic. If you were diagnosed with a personality disorder, you simply have a “better reason” to act that way than when you’re just an ass.
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Argue with this person who disagrees with you.
you clearly have way too much time on your hands which you spend trying to get strangers on the internet to fight. not everyone is as compulsively aggressive on the internet as you seem to be. since you’re so concerned with being fair and politically correct, why dont you ask for a job at your local foodbank? im sure they would appreciate a hand, and you would have to waste far less time online.
I don’t try to make people fight. I want them all to agree with me and not be bigots. Do you think I like being harassed? No, of course not. Your worldview where people like being yelled at is very strange.
you quite literally told me to “argue with this person who disagrees with [me]”. if that is not instigating a fight for your own gain, i dont know what is.
also, very much ironically, wanting everyone to agree with you without the capability to admit you are wrong is, in its own, very narcisitic. which is insanely funny to me.
You picked a fight with the moderate who believes the word is used by ignorants who are unaware of the history, instead of the person whose views are actually opposite your own who thinks it’s only a pathology. It seems to me that both of you want to bully the narcissist out of hate more than a political disagreement, since you have no quarrel with the person who more strongly disagrees with you. Neither of you cares about the content of the arguments you’re making, you just want any excuse to continue using slurs, even if two of the excuses you agree with are mutually exclusive opposites.
You said you think it’s funny that I’m disabled, after all.
this just goes to show that arguing with people on the internet is a waste of time. youre clearly twisting my words into things i have never said, but which you really really want me to have said.
in any case, to illustrate my point once and for all:
Narcissism can be considered both a personality trait and a personality disorder. The trait of narcissism exists on a spectrum, and it is not uncommon for individuals to exhibit some narcissistic characteristics without meeting the criteria for a full-blown personality disorder. Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) is a clinical diagnosis in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5). It involves a pervasive pattern of grandiosity, a need for admiration, and a lack of empathy, beginning in early adulthood and present in various contexts. Individuals with NPD often have difficulties maintaining relationships and may exhibit arrogant, entitled behavior. On the other hand, narcissistic traits can be present in individuals without meeting the criteria for NPD. Some degree of self-centeredness, a desire for validation, and a focus on one's own needs and desires are common aspects of human behavior. It's important to note that having some narcissistic traits doesn't necessarily indicate a personality disorder. Personality traits, including narcissistic traits, exist on a continuum, and it's the severity and impact on one's life that determine whether it rises to the level of a disorder.Calling someone narcisistic does not automatically equate to a slur or even an insult. Narcisistic traits can be examined from outside and afar, and you do not need to be a therapist to see these behavioural patterns. Looping back to the original comment that started all this - Empress shows narcisistic patterns everywhere in her communication. Calling her narcisistic because she acts narcisistic is an observation, not an insult, not a slur. Just like I can call someone blonde because I have seen their blonde hair. It matters not that narcisism can occur inside of a personality disorder. If I call someone “retarded” because they have NPD, that’s another story. This is not the case here.
Since I already know you could keep arguing back and forth with everyone involved in this steaming mess of a comment tree, I’ll be the bigger person and call it quits. Save yourself the response, we’re too far down the tree for anyone to read it anyways. Any words written are a waste of time. If you need more attention, fight with people further up. I am not worth your time.
Narcissist is a real psychological term. It describes a pathology. Slurs aren’t words you don’t like to be called. You don’t get to make up what is and what isn’t a slur.
Using pathologies as insults is using a slur.
Shut the fuck up
Narcissism is generally seen as a negative trait so there already isn’t a non-derogatory way of calling someone a narcissist. Also, there is an acknowledged difference between being a narcissist and having NPD so as much as many here would probably say Empress has some kind of disorder, I bet very few have the credentials to diagnose which means it’s the former, and if we’re being completely honest, it’s a very practical word to describe a person’s behaviour. So I guess it has to be a “chill out, snowflake” moment for you.
All disabilities are seen as negative, but it’s not derogatory to call someone autistic, paraplegic, or blind, unless it’s a deliberate insult. I find your argument unconvincing.
I don’t really care if you find what I say convincing but to make this as simple as possible, name one time it’s considered good to be identified as narcissistic. And please let’s stay relevant and leave out physical disabilities. Only assholes insult the two you named.
pwNPD are, on average, better at magick than neurotypicals. I also generally respect most pwNPD for the trauma they’ve endured and survived. It’s a disability that leads to a lot of suicidality, so being a living pwNPD is an accomplishment.
Do you even read what you type? If you genuinely believe narcissists are magic then you are truly deluded.
I also think money is magic, because it’s brought into existence by people’s belief in it. In my book, magic is believing in something so hard it becomes real. Money obviously fits the bill. Do you not think money is magic? What do you think it is if it’s not magic?
Another place where this view falls short is that a person doesn’t need to have NPD to act like a narcissist on a regular basis, the same way a person can be volatile and not meet the criteria for BPD.
No, that’s not true. It’s not true because that’s not how we use disability language. Neurotypicals do not act autistic, and they don’t act ret**ded. Some people do use words that way, because those words are slurs. Likewise, when you insult someone by likening their behaviour to disability by calling them a narcissist, that’s a slur.
TIL Being an asshole is a disability
pwNPD are not assholes at any higher rate than the general population. What you’re describing is a stereotype about a disability.
Ah, so you can be a ‘nice’ narcissist? Go away.