• qaeta@lemmy.caEnglish
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    2 months ago

    Looks like you’ve got four nazi’s so far who are cowardly even by nazi standards downvoting you.

          • Dessalines@lemmy.ml
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            2 months ago

            Its because we block lemvotes on this server, because people don’t like their votes being exposed. Every server should do this.

            • Hadriscus@jlai.lu
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              2 months ago

              oh, okay. It’s nice that it’s possible to do this.

              Every server should do this.

              I would say that’s for them to decide

              • Dessalines@lemmy.ml
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                2 months ago

                I doubt they’ve asked their users if they want this spying tool to hoover up their votes.

                • Hadriscus@jlai.lu
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                  2 months ago

                  Alright, let me ask you to clear this up for me please. I’m not a developer so I might need some simplification. This Lemvotes thing asks a Lemmy server to give up the users having voted on a particular post. For this to work I would assume the server in question must comply with this request, or store this information in a way that’s accessible in the first place ?

              • skisnow@lemmy.caEnglish
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                2 months ago

                It’s a UX issue. If you make votes public they should be very clearly so, the way reactions are on Facebook, LinkedIn etc, and everyone would be fine with it. What’s getting people’s panties in a twist is that Lemmy superficially presents itself as having anonymous voting but the logs are tucked away behind some convoluted process that you have to just know about and only seems to work about half the time.

          • eldavi@lemmy.mlEnglish
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            2 months ago

            it works for some of the other instances; either it’s broken or selectively ignoring.

  • Yprum@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    There’s a logic flaw in this post and that makes me feel uncertain if this is just ragebaiting or what… It certainly feels like it, and it is kinda worrisome and sad if we let this kinda shit content drive the platform usage into senseless insult throwing (I’m kinda expecting that I’ll be called a Nazi for not agreeing on what this post represents, precisely my point).

    You can say “fuck Nazis” and I’d agree. Fuck them, hard with a cactus. If someone disagrees with “fuck Nazis” sure, you found the Nazi. I agree with that. If in a conversation someone is defending a Nazi ideology or some clear Nazi shit, yeah call them Nazis and anyone defending them are clearly aligned on that shit.

    But then step two of the image makes no sense.

    Watch for the “don’t call people who disagree with you Nazis” comments.

    Saying fuck Nazis is not the same as calling someone who disagrees with you a Nazi. If someone would call someone a Nazi for disagreeing on some random topic, and someone says don’t call them Nazis just because they don’t agree with you, that doesn’t make them a Nazi. There is nuance here, what was it they disagreed with? It feels like the post is just trying to give way to the fact that if you call anyone a Nazi and they disagree that makes them even more Nazi. It the same shit as accusing someone of stealing and when they deny it you answer with “that’s what a thief would say”. Well yeah, but it is also what a non-thief would say. So it proofs nothing.

    Can’t we just agree on hating Nazis and calling a Nazi to anyone making a Nazi salute or saying Nazi shit or defending Nazi shit? Can we agree that saying “don’t call people who disagree with you a nazi” doesn’t immediately imply they are Nazis? It doesn’t make any fucking sense, and I’d wish to see better content in Lemmy than this baity shit. Instead of this shit, post a nice image that says “fuck Nazis” with a middle finger as decoratiin, and I’m sure you will see less crap than in this post.

      • Yprum@lemmy.world
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        2 months ago

        I may be over thinking it, but that’s not what it reads like to me. Like at all.

        The post doesn’t say “anyone defending a Nazi” is a Nazi. Which sure, makes sense. I agree.

        The post says “anyone saying that you shouldn’t call a Nazi to those who disagree with you means they are by extension Nazis”. That assumes that calling someone a Nazi can never be wrong if they disagree with you and you are not a Nazi. Someone that is not a Nazi can disagree with someone that is not a Nazi. The post seems to try and create discord by saying that a witch hunt against Nazis is perfectly fine because Nazis are shit. And anyone against a witch hunt of Nazis means they are a Nazi. Well, I’m against all kind of witch-hunts because they are based on accusing whoever just out of hatred with very little way of fighting against it fairly.

        Or to explain my meaning in a different way. I’m against the death penalty. That means that I don’t want any form of legal death penalty, even if someone is a Nazi. Does that mean now that I treat Nazis too nicely? I can see someone disagreeing with me or I could disagree with someone. They can call me a Nazi then I guess? Just because I’m against the death penalty? This post is in my opinion just shit trying to raigebait. I don’t see who could benefit from it, but surely there are possible reasons for it.

        • lemonwood@lemmy.ml
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          2 months ago

          The post says “anyone saying that you shouldn’t call a Nazi to those who disagree with you means they are by extension Nazis”

          No it doesn’t say that. Maybe you’re not overthinking it enough. I’ll walk through the proof referring to the numbering in the post. The post is saying: "anyone is probably a Nazi(3), who’s saying that you shouldn’t call everyone you disagree with a Nazi(2), if they are saying it in the following special context: they are saying it, even though you didn’t do that at all! Not even remotely. You simply made an obvious statement about real genuine actual Nazis in general being bad(1), but they somehow took offence to what should be the most uncontroversial statement ever(1) and came out and created a strawman to attack you for something you didn’t do(2). Simply because they don’t like the one thing they know about you: that you don’t like Nazis(1). Now why might that be? Well probably because they are a Nazi(3). qed

        • goferking (he/him)@lemmy.sdf.org
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          2 months ago

          The post doesn’t say “anyone defending a Nazi” is a Nazi. Which sure, makes sense. I agree.

          It does, that’s the person out of nowhere saying

          don’t call those you don’t like nazi

          None of this is specific to anything or anyone unless that person is disagreeing with fuck nazis.

    • adrianmalacoda@lemmy.ml
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      2 months ago

      To me it’s really very simple. No, not everyone we dislike or disagree with is a Nazi. However, anyone who takes offense to “Fuck Nazis” is either a Nazi or a Nazi sympathizer, which for all intents and purposes is the same thing really.

  • migo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    2 months ago

    They’re here and they’re there and they’re everywhere We’re taught that after the war the Nazis vanished without a trace
    But battalions of fascists still dream of a master race
    The history books they tell of their defeat in forty-five
    But they all come out of the woodwork on the day the Nazi died
    They say the prisoner of Spandau was a symbol of defeat
    Whilst Hess remained imprisoned and the fascists they were beat
    So the promise of an aryan world would never materialise
    So why did they all come out of the woodwork on the day the Nazi died
    They’re here and they’re there and they’re everywhere
    The world is riddled with maggots–the maggots are getting fat
    They’re making a tasty meal of all the bosses and bureacrats
    They’re taking over the board rooms and they’re fat and full of pride
    And they all came out of the woodwork on the day the Nazi died
    So if you meet with these historians I’ll tell you what to say
    Tell them that the Nazis never really went away
    They’re out there burning houses down and peddling racist lies
    And we’ll never rest again until every Nazi dies\

    Chumbawamba rocks

    • Arcadeep@lemmy.world
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      2 months ago

      What a banger. Also just shows how long this shit has been brewing and everyone just kinda overlooked it until now it’s too late.

      • bouh@lemmy.world
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        2 months ago

        It was not overlooked, it was weaponized. Just like in Germany in the 1930’s.

        The turning point was 2001. The liberals thought they could use that enemy from within and they thought they could handle the fascists, until they became the fascists. Now they are just like the fascists, but people hate them more than ever, so they directly side with them in order to not be left over when the vanilla fascists takes the power.

  • Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.caEnglish
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    2 months ago

    I hope all Nazis meet with painful and humiliating ends that can, in no legal sense, be traced back to myself.

  • flandish@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    my usual method: post “nazis give up their moral and social humanity when they choose to become nazis.”

    people reply: “aktchually dehumanizing someone is a tactic of the nazis and should not be done.”

    neat. thank for letting me know you’re a nazi. turn back and let your humanity return.