Rotating banners on /r/piracy

db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · edit-2 3 months ago

Rotating banners on /r/piracy

UnRelatedBurner@sh.itjust.works · edit-2 3 months ago

While this is very cool, and a nice idea. I have to vote aginst it. AI art is just so uncanny and soulless.

In my opinion it’d be way better to have human-drawn art as the banner. For starters AI generated “art” can’t really even be called art. “Art” implies that it has some meaning, value, message, or a memory even. AI can make art tho, when you mastered it and use it the same as painter uses a brush. I don’t think a daily random gen in compatible with putting care into what you create. If we switch the banner every day with another auto generated picture, it’ll be just that; a cool picture. But if we maybe switch it up every year (for it to not be stale) with an art competition it’ll have love in it at least, with possibilty for all kind of valuables, such as refrences or a unique style.

You could get around this issue with an avatar. A mascot (of the community) if you will. After having the mascot fed to an AI it can generate it in any position doing anything with any background, allowing us to not waste the idea of another commenter (haui), who suggested that it should be dynamic, that it should change depending on what happened the previous day. It could be refreshed daily, it could be made dynamic, and it’ll have soul.

I can’t draw. But I think I speak for others when I say that I wouldn’t mind drawing a character for a community that I can thank thousands of dollars to.

Stretch@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 months ago

For starters AI generated “art” can’t really even be called art.

You called it art. Zer0 said images, and its just that.

I’m old enough to recall when people said electronica and sampling wasn’t music. Since then, we have Hip Hop, Daft Punk, Crystal Method, Deadmau5, and hundreds of others wasting their time with music and Grammy nominations and wins.

No reason to take such a strong stance against a daily banner that combines OP’s interests. It’s their instance, after all.

Generative imagery puts creativity in the hands of many more than are artistically or dexterously gifted enough to communicate artistically. It takes nothing away from the community, and if you prefer not to look at it, its as simple as averting your eyeballs a few degrees.

Draconic NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com · edit-2 3 months ago

For starters AI generated “art” can’t really even be called art.

You called it art. Zer0 said images, and its just that.

I think I would argue that this immediate jump to “AI is NOT Art” that a lot of these commenters are making could be considered strawman arguments exactly for that reason. db0 and others have not and are not claiming that it is or isn’t art, this is just an announcement that we have an image generator to randomize banners and also sharing the code so those that want it can integrate it in their instance.

krimsonbun@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 months ago

Generative imagery puts creativity in the hands of many more than are artistically or dexterously gifted enough to communicate artistically. It takes nothing away from the community, and if you prefer not to look at it, its as simple as averting your eyeballs a few degrees.

You’re acting as if making art is an ability you’re born with and you can’t make art if you weren’t gifted with it at birth. The beautiful thing about art is the skill and dedication put into the piece.

One of the main things that make humans human, is our creativity, why would we give that up?

Making art with electronics is very different to having “art” made by electronics.

notfromhere@lemmy.ml · 3 months ago

Look at OP’s prompt text and tell me that is not a work of art. Seriously, the ingenuity of it baffles me.

krimsonbun@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 months ago

you can tell there’s something off, it doesn’t look human. of course it’s not a “work” of “art” nobody worked on it and it is not artistic.

notfromhere@lemmy.ml · 3 months ago

There’s nothing off about the prompt? I’m not talking about the images.

XYZinferno@lemmy.basedcount.com · 3 months ago

But you’re not giving it up, since human-made art and AI generated images can both exist.

Sure, it could be said that AI generated images can oversaturate the internet, but a lot of sites that host art, both SFW and NSFW, have reacted by tagging AI art and allowing the user to filter them out.

There’s so many forms of art in the world and one lifetime isn’t enough to learn it all. Music, visual arts, cooking, writing, etc. I choose to focus on some art forms at the expense of others.

If the technology exists to make it easier to visually represent something on my mind and give me time to focus on my other pursuits, I’m all for it.

UnRelatedBurner@sh.itjust.works · 3 months ago

I’m not going to cut throats over banners, chill out. And also it’d seem I wasn’t clear with my points. I understand that AI can still produce art. My point was that if AI is used to make art it’s used the same way as any other tool, but randomly generating pictures is an edge case.

One could argue that this is just natural evolution. Before, when you made a nice picture (let’s say on a canvas) it was one-of-a-kind, and that made it more special, more art-y. But, if you’d have used AI instead, you could have gotten an infinite number pictures all with similar artistic values. However, I’d say that this isn’t true, because afaik sometimes what the machine gives back to you is very bad (by means of not achieving the goals of the artist), and you have to regenerate it. This means that you can’t call “all” AI generated images art even if it was made with care.

Compared to your music example, I agree. But, I believe you haven’t considered the fact that it is still one-of-a-kind. No matter the instrument (because the new electronic sounds are just that basically).

Picture the scenario where somebody (A nobody with no goals, motives, or deep thoughts) just press a couple of buttons and some toon starts playing. “It’s pleasing ig” is the only feeling you get from it. Or get someone, with passion and a dream, to use the same method, but instead of stopping at the first toon, they continue to improve it, to refine it, to redo it as many times as it takes for it to be perfect. Imo I’d consider scenario A’s result and B’s failed attempts to not be art, B’s result however is art.

db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 months ago

We had an AI banner for months. You could have offered these suggestion any time before now. Anyway, the idea of a reusing a recognisable mascot in the GenAI art isn’t bad

DarkNightoftheSoul@mander.xyz · 3 months ago

I’ve got a similar opinion, but didn’t feel like expressing it before because my opinion wasn’t asked for before.

db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 months ago

This is an anarchist server. Direct action are the words.

DarkNightoftheSoul@mander.xyz · 3 months ago

👉👈 but direct action is scary

Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com · edit-2 3 months ago

Listen buddy, your opinion is welcome here!

However, I disagree with you and I like what db0 did

UnRelatedBurner@sh.itjust.works · 3 months ago

Well, I wasn’t active before now :p

just wanted to put my two cents out there