But if this is the sort of progress I should expect from the Democrats, it’s no wonder they don’t get people excited to vote for them.
What I’m taking from this discussion is I should drastically lower my expectations of what’s possible. Maybe if I vote for another 20 years my kids will get a $10 credit on the $100k worth of student loans they’re going to have to take out to get an education.
I mean, realistically, yes. Political change is extremely hard and very slow. When you have a good third of the country in abject denial of basic reality and political structures that give them a disproportionate amount of power and that are designed to make change difficult, yeah, progress is slow.
The fight for women’s suffrage, for instance, started in 1847, while the 19th Amendment wasn’t passed until 1920, a good 70 years later. The Stonewall riots were in 1969, and it took nearly fifty years for marriage equality to arrive. This stuff is hard. That doesn’t mean it’s not worth fighting for.
For what it’s worth, the average student debt burden is around 37k right now, and for students of public universities, more like 27k. The difference in lifetime earnings that come with a Bachelor’s degree more than make up the cost, by a very significant amount. It should be cheaper, and I won’t deny that, but it’s still nearly always a good financial decision. Many states also offer free community college that can massively reduce that cost.
I know you’re probably just expressing a general frustration than anything else, and that’s valid, and I know this probably isn’t really that helpful and is more annoying than anything else. But it’s not all bad news, and I think it’s important to keep sight of that.
The fight for women’s suffrage, for instance, started in 1847, while the 19th Amendment wasn’t passed until 1920, a good 70 years later. The Stonewall riots were in 1969, and it took nearly fifty years for marriage equality to arrive. This stuff is hard. That doesn’t mean it’s not worth fighting for.
Worth noting that those rights were not won by merely voting, let alone merely voting for milquetoast candidates…
They were won by rather more extreme measures, precisely because merely voting didn’t accomplish the goals.
The latest research indicates we have a 50/50 chance of hitting 2C. I guess it’s better than 100%?
But if this is the sort of progress I should expect from the Democrats, it’s no wonder they don’t get people excited to vote for them.
What I’m taking from this discussion is I should drastically lower my expectations of what’s possible. Maybe if I vote for another 20 years my kids will get a $10 credit on the $100k worth of student loans they’re going to have to take out to get an education.
Yay progress.
I mean, realistically, yes. Political change is extremely hard and very slow. When you have a good third of the country in abject denial of basic reality and political structures that give them a disproportionate amount of power and that are designed to make change difficult, yeah, progress is slow.
The fight for women’s suffrage, for instance, started in 1847, while the 19th Amendment wasn’t passed until 1920, a good 70 years later. The Stonewall riots were in 1969, and it took nearly fifty years for marriage equality to arrive. This stuff is hard. That doesn’t mean it’s not worth fighting for.
For what it’s worth, the average student debt burden is around 37k right now, and for students of public universities, more like 27k. The difference in lifetime earnings that come with a Bachelor’s degree more than make up the cost, by a very significant amount. It should be cheaper, and I won’t deny that, but it’s still nearly always a good financial decision. Many states also offer free community college that can massively reduce that cost.
I know you’re probably just expressing a general frustration than anything else, and that’s valid, and I know this probably isn’t really that helpful and is more annoying than anything else. But it’s not all bad news, and I think it’s important to keep sight of that.
Worth noting that those rights were not won by merely voting, let alone merely voting for milquetoast candidates…
They were won by rather more extreme measures, precisely because merely voting didn’t accomplish the goals.
Stonewall was a riot. Women were beaten and arrested for trying to vote.
I may take someone else’s advice and firebomb a coal power plant because it’s more fun and effective than voting.
I’m just so goddamn tired of it all. I may just block every politics community because all it does is give me heartburn.
But I’m still going to vote just to show that our system of government is crap.