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  • frankPodmore@slrpnk.net
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    4 months ago

    OP has given us no info about the candidates they’re considering other than RFK, who is a lunatic. There’s no merit to encouraging RFK’s views, so Biden should be OP’s choice.

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      4 months ago

      RFK has significantly less lunacy than Trump, and is much more coherent than both Biden and Trump.

      He still supports Israel though, so there is no anti genocide candidate.

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          4 months ago

          The way RFK makes (coherent) arguments in public is streets ahead of Biden and Trump, but so is almost any politician.

          In terms of honesty, RFK is between Biden and Trump. Half truths and populism, rather than the full lies of Trump.

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              4 months ago

              The Tuskegee experiment is not the same as Flat Earth. Conspiracy theories are not a homogeneous and neither are conspiracy theorists.

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                4 months ago

                The Tuskegee Experiment was not a conspiracy theory. So, in that sense you’re right.

                Conspiracy theories and theorists are homogenous: the flawed thinking is inherent to the concept. Conspiracy theories are untrue by definition, and nothing to do with real conspiracies.

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                  4 months ago

                  Fuck off. The Tuskegee Experiment was a conspiracy. A group of people secretly performed illegal medical experiments on the African American population.

                  Conspiracy theories and theorists are homogenous.

                  Only within each conspiracy. Oliver Stone believes the JFK conspiracy theory but I doubt he believes the elite are literally lizard people.

                  the flawed thinking is inherent to the concept

                  Incorrect. An illegal agreement between two or more parties has no connection to how logical the process is of whoever is suspicious.

                  Conspiracy theories are untrue by definition,

                  Incorrect. They are unproven by definition. They may be true or false.

                  and nothing to do with real conspiracies.

                  Real (I assume you mean proven) conspiracies start off as theories.

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                    4 months ago

                    Real (I assume you mean proven) conspiracies start off as theories.

                    No, they don’t. Conspiracy theories are not ‘theories about conspiracies’. You are both misusing the term ‘conspiracy theory’ and wrongly describing the Tuskegee experiment as a conspiracy, which it never was. One of the people who originally called it out did so after reading about it in a published scientific paper! The pereptrators of that ‘experiment’ lied to the participants, but they were not otherwise secretive, otherwise they wouldn’t have been writing and publishing papers about it.

                    Fuck off

                    I’m not going to discuss this further with someone who cannot do so civilly.