Aw man, it came and I missed it? I need more details. About what time? Where at? Facing which direction? I kept an eye out last night but didn’t see anything before bed.

260 beds isn’t anywhere near enough to shelter every homeless person on the streets, whether in Grants Pass or Portland, which aren’t the same place, by the way. The mention of this is especially disgusting when you consider that 260 beds is clearly not nearly enough to solve a homelessness issue for a city and it only serves to falsely lay blame on the homeless. Even if you’re staying in a shelter, you’re still homeless; they aren’t a solution in themselves. Shelters are generally poorly maintained, unhygienic, and unsafe. They’re a good place to get all your shit stolen, too. Have you ever been to a homeless shelter? They aren’t nice places to be, plus they have all sorts of ridiculous and overly-restrictive rules and policies that have to be followed. Given Portland’s homeless population, 260 beds is a total drop in the bucket anyway, so treating that as an available solution that people aren’t using is incredibly disingenuous because most of them are being used and there still aren’t nearly enough to shelter everyone, even if they were actually worth staying in. Since you brought up Portland, I’ll talk a bit about Portland, but don’t forget that this story is about Grants Pass, where about a third of all residents pay more than half of their incomes on rent, making Grants Pass one of the most rent-burdened towns in Oregon.

KGW, like most MSMs, tends to have a slant against homeless people, loyally parroting whatever the police and mayor, Ted Wheeler, tell them without a lick of journalistic analysis. They love whining about the homeless at every opportunity they can, but I never see them report on those killed by hypothermia as a direct result of frequent and brutal police sweeps, or when the homeless are often outright murdered by class terrorists.

Instead of doing anything meaningful about the homelessness crisis, Portland invests all of its money into increasing the police budget and putting up anti-homeless architecture instead of tackling rampant rent inflation, or lack of access to mental health treatment, or developers only building luxury apartments, etc. They’ve experimented with some alternatives, such as little clusters of tiny, one-room shelters, but not in sufficient amounts to make any meaningful difference. Their policies don’t actually reduce homelessness at all, it just squeezes those in a tough situation even harder and criminalizes the poorest among us.

You also left out the main fact of the matter that Grants Pass literally outlawed being homeless. Down on your luck and living on the streets? Congratulations, you’re also a criminal now. That’s outrageous. It is now illegal to be too poor. How this could be justifiable in anyone’s mind is shocking to me.

Whatever, that’s an opinion piece.

That’s literally all wrong, but ok, bud.

Lol, that is 100% true… only get votes by calling their opponents far right on social issues.

Can’t wait for 28 when you libs call the Republican candidate a uniquely dire threat

Heard this same story every 4 years my entire life. It’s starting to not work anymore

Who’s making things up to feel better? Yeah, you accused them at least a few times of using scare tactics to gain favor, indicating that the threat isn’t really there and that it’s actually nothing to worry about. Then you use the same scare tactics that the DNC threatens to drag the US to the right.

Have sent way more links

You’ve sent 5 sources across like 28 comments, I’ve done over twice that. So what?

January 6 was not a real insurrection or else they would have guns and a plan to stay

They did, among other weapons. They also had to be forced from the building before they left, they weren’t leaving on their own. They also weren’t just let in, there is footage everyone has seen of lines of riot cops fighting to prevent entry to the building itself.

You’re the one making up hyprocritical arguments to vote for Dems

Again, I’ve always said it should be Biden on the basis that Biden wouldn’t be as bad as Trump, despite Biden’s clear flaws. That’s what I’m still saying. You’re the one continuously criticizing the Dems for using scare tactics to get votes, and then promptly doing exactly the same for yourself by baselessly calling the Dems “far-right” over and over.

I’m the one stating facts here

Lmao you’ve done nothing of the kind, you just keep giving the same insane opinions. Something like, “Biden broke the UAW strike” is a fact and literally true, well done. That’s the first fact in a good while, though. It’s also just one example, so here’s a counter-example. Trump took SNAP from nearly 700,000 people. Something like, “the DNC are far-right” is just an opinion and not literally true. You’d have a lot more work on your hands to be convincing in that regard when the real right is salivating at the thought of gutting programs like SNAP and Social Security right now.

Trump is too incompetent

More handwaving. He literally already came close to stopping the certification of his failure by force and has lots of help from his team of loyal strategists. This election really is like no other.

Lol, that is 100% true, Dems are far right economically, and only get votes by calling their opponents far right on social issues.

Doubling down on the hypocrisy isn’t going to help you. Here you are calling them far-right again. Which is it, is it a bad thing to scare up voters for yourselves by supposedly exaggerating the evils of your opponent, or something you find useful yourself? These are just empty words without anything to back them up, anyway. You haven’t shown any of this or made any actual comparisons to the right, it’s no more than an opinion. Why does the actual right hate Biden’s economic policy if it’s so far right?

This time is for real!

Why not? You’ve certainly not provided anything that would convince me otherwise, you’ve just handwaved it away. It would be hard to argue that these are not unprecedented times for a long list of reasons. We’ve already personally witnessed Trump’s appalling presidency and we’ve already witnessed his attempt at a coup to forcefully stay in office. It’s certainly not impossible that he’d simply try again, and it’s certainly not impossible it would work this time, having learned from past mistakes. This was just 3 years ago, it’s still very relevant to now.

I’ve been saying it should be Biden over Trump from the beginning and gave reasons for why I felt it should be so. There’s no inconsistency there. You’ve just been calling the Dems far-right and then complaining that the Dems only get votes by calling their opponents far-right. That’s hypocrisy plain as day. It doesn’t matter if you spend money or not, you’re still out here personally spreading the exact same message.

quickly quoted and debunked your CNN level talking points

If you say so, bud. I provided verifiable facts with links that support my stance of why Biden is the better practical choice instead of Stein or Trump. You’ve just been doing whataboutisms this whole time.

It is true liberals use the same arguments to elect economically right wing democrats, you keep falling for it.

You’re here endlessly repeating the exact same talking points as seemingly your only persuasion, and yet you think that I fell for these arguments? Sounds like whatever political news “source” you use just makes the same talking points about the DNC instead of the GOP. If you claim that these arguments are necessary to “trick” voters, but you use them yourself to try to persuade me, then either you got tricked into supporting the Greens, or you’re trying to trick me yourself.

Your refusal to vote tactically doesn’t make you better or smarter than anyone else, if anything it indicates that your priorities are all out of order. It almost sounds like you hate Biden even more than Trump.

I got you to send a book right back lmao, all I had to do was call you too stupid to be able to. I wanted to see what I could write in about 10 minutes, the amount of time you said it would take to waste my vote. It was kinda fun.

If only we had politicians in the government right now calling for the end of Israeli aid. Oh wait…

Yeah, you just keep repeating the same absurdisms with no substance to help convince yourself you’re above others.

You are dumb, you vote for genocide, you vote for the right, blah, blah, blah. Those are just words with nothing behind them, bud. I could say the same about you and be just as “correct” as you are. All you can do is lower yourself to name-calling because you can’t think of anything intelligent to say.

You seem to be the one throwing a fit right now, so you calling me a baby is pretty rich.

Vote for another party then.

I do. One with far better chances of at least limiting disaster right now instead of pie-in-the-sky notions of the Green Party coming to solve all of our issues one day. It’ll be too late by then.

Your vote ensure we move right

Certainly not when compared to the alternative of gassing it to the right under Trump. If you aren’t frightened by the prospect of another Trump presidency right now, you aren’t paying attention.

They can’t win because no one votes for them. They peaked 20 years ago. Honestly, I’d have more respect if you were to simply eschew electoral politics altogether. That’s at least a more principled stance. The Green Party isn’t our savior any more than the Democrats are. At least the Democrats have a chance in this election, though, instead of some unclear future date which may never come. There are plenty of failed parties, the vast majority of which never got anywhere.

Your votes are what enables Trump to win, rather than merely exist.

That’s still a worthless strategy if those people can’t win right now, especially given the consequences of the right taking power. You will find yourself incapable of convincing me that Trump is worse than Biden.

Yawn.

Biden arranged a ceasefire and prisoner release and has at least discussed limiting or putting conditions on Israeli military aid, something Trump wouldn’t even consider.

I’ll also just leave these here;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger’s_law

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibbard–Satterthwaite_theorem

It’s great that you think you’re fighting the good fight by paving the way for “I’m for Israel First” Trump.

The Green Party is actually the leading cause of HIV infections in the country. Stein spits in people’s food. She also hates dogs and cats. The Green Party and the National Bolshevik movement are closely linked.

If you think you’ve been totally reasonable this whole time, you’re deluding yourself. You’ve just been brainlessly repeating shit like “the dems are far-right genocide encouragers.” And not even elaborating. In the face of the actual far right, you sound completely nuts. It’s no more true than any ridiculous nonsense off the top of my head. You’re so smug you actually think you’ve convinced yourself that your absurd opinions are facts.

Jill Stein personally participated in and helped to cover up the Srebrenica Massacre. She steals candy from children. The Green Party personally sends out envoys to cut down our rainforests and bleach our coral reefs. They’re also flat-Earthers who want to ban ice cream.

Unsubstantiated

LMAO. From our discussion so far, you don’t even know the meaning of hypocrisy or unsubstantiated. The Green Party is far-right and passes far-right legislation. Sound familiar?

Ok, bud.

Wasn’t after midnight for me.

No, I asked for a document comparable to the 2025 plan, go back and reread it. It’s not my fault you misread and gripped to that misinterpretation for too long.

I did give links. Specific ones that actually supported what I had said. Something beyond your capabilities because you’ve just given a bunch of irrelevant information. So what about Obama, VPs don’t authorize drone strikes. The Greens haven’t helped eviction rates ones bit. Your state’s local Green membership doesn’t mean shit.

You love to just make crazy-ass, unsupportable statements. I’ll give it a shot, too. The Greens pass far-right legislation. The Greens love to secretly do poorly on purpose because their goal is to weaken the left from the inside. Article 4 of the Green Party charter is worse than any policy ever enacted by Nazi Germany. Stein wants to launch nuclear war all over the world.

Normally quotes are usually unnecessary because the person you’re speaking to can remember what they themselves said. I suppose I expected too much of you.

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That’s fine, I knew you wouldn’t have the attention span to read it, seeing as you can’t muster a thought longer than an elementary-level sentence. Elaboration is a good thing. You’re still wrong and you still don’t know what a citation is. The last sentence of my comment sums it all up pretty well, anyway.

Your “source” was just a link to the whole constitution of the Confederacy. You didn’t actually cite any specific examples to back up your point, you just said they were comparable without elaborating. Did you even read it before linking? They may be comparable in some ways, but perhaps rather different in others. It’s probably arguable, but you didn’t bother, so I don’t know what your thought process was. It doesn’t matter what it was now, but that’s what citations and sources are for. What specific parts of the constitution are you referencing? Which specific parts are similar to the 2025 Plan or fascistic political ideology and what are the parallels? You’ve already demonstrated for me in practical terms that you don’t know when to use a source or how to cite it. Your only defense is projecting your ignorance onto me. They are not for questions at all, but for statements, of which you make many unfounded and unsupported ones. If I say Ronald McDonald is actually a Mormon and when asked for proof, I simply link the entire Book of Mormon, that wouldn’t prove my point at all and you’d have no idea what I meant.

Also, the CSA was really bad, right? In listing the CSA’s constitution as a kind of predecessor to the 2025 Plan, you acknowledge that this is a big deal. Shouldn’t that make you way more willing to do whatever it takes to defeat the plan, even if it means sucking it up and voting for a centrist if there’s no other chance?

My strategy has worked about 45% of the time in the last 100 years (8/18 times) and yours has worked exactly 0% of the time. The Greens’ membership fell by about 27% between 2004-2009 and has remained mostly stagnant in terms of growth since then (that’s a citation, a direct or paraphrased quote from a source I used so you’d know I didn’t just pull it from nowhere. You haven’t done that, so I don’t know the same for your state Its just the important bit, so you don’t have to read the whole thing, but you are able to go find a cited quote if you feel compelled). Your strategy is failing utterly right before our eyes and all you can do to distract from it is to point at others. My strategy actually accomplishes real harm reduction because during a significant amount of the time, less extreme policies are being passed than if they were under a republican. Dems at least pump the breaks a little bit, while the Greens aren’t there to pump the breaks at all. Don’t worry, though, they said that they would totally have stopped the crash singlehandedly if they were there. The DNC certainly aren’t the revolutionaries I wish they were, but it’s obviously better than letting the right have total free reign. The Greens have never been around to effect any legislation one way or another. Your strategy accomplishes literally nothing as opposed to at least something demonstrable. Failed idealism is still failure.

You seem to be under the impression that the Green Party would stay true to their beliefs better than the DNC, but this also would appear untrue. In the few places where the Greens have won any elections, they have to compromise with the right just as the DNC does. Here they are approving a new lignite mine (very similar to coal, used in same ways) in Germany under pressure from the right and wealthy. If they wouldn’t actually be capable of being much better than the DNC because of opposition, then what’s the point of working so hard to build a party and letting the right take the advantage in the meantime, only for basically the same outcome? Sounds like a whole lot of wasted chances when we could have just voted for the people already doing this.

Everything you’ve criticized Biden for, you haven’t acknowledged that Trump would be worse on all accounts, as he’s already demonstrated in his presidency. The Green Party can’t offer an immediate solution for that. As only one example, Trump was setting records for so many drone strikes that he stopped publishing the numbers. In his first year, Biden reduced drone strikes by 54% from Trump’s final year. 100% would be better, but you’d be a fool to reject a reduction that big. That is real harm reduction. Those are families who didn’t get blown up, when they would have under Trump. Biden also made it harder for the Pentagon and CIA to launch their own drone strikes.

Here’s a list of inconsistent thoughts regarding your stated reasons for advocating for the Greens; criticizing the DNC for being ineffective when the Greens have little at all to point to whatsoever; criticizing the DNC for compromises with the right when the Greens would have to make those same compromises; complaining the dems get the right elected and telling people to vote for someone unelectable which only ends up helping the right by diluting votes.

You said it, voting Green really is the least one can do lmao. It might be easier to simply bring down the whole government and start from scratch than it would be to get a Green president elected anytime in the next 20 years. It took me about as long as it takes to vote Green to write this comment and the time I spent was just as “valuable” lol.