Then we agree it’s not multiple decades.

And 10 years is nothing. The anti-abortion movement set Dobbs into motion in the 1990s, when they put Thomas on the SCOTUS. Their work only paid off 30 years later. Your “movement” doesn’t have the kind of patience necessary for success.

It really was mostly performance. If you ask someone today, “What did OWS want?” they will likely be unable to tell you.

you seem to think its impossible to win an election and not do well in your home state.

That’s not what I’m saying.

I’m saying there is exactly one data point that directly compares Bernie to Kamala, and it shows more support for Kamala than Bernie.

And since that is the only place where they can be compared, there is no evidence at all that Bernie would have more support than Kamala in other states.

right wingers constantly allign with people like Bernie

There are right wingers in Vermont too. That’s why their governor is a Republican. Yet among all the people who voted for Gov Scott, there weren’t enough Bernie supporters to make a difference.

In other words people were willing to vote for Harris and a Republican governor more than they were willing to vote for Sanders. He simply does not have the support you think he does.

Right wingers do not constantly align with AOC. There very few Trump + AOC voters, she was just interested in hearing from them.

So people were literally voting for Harris, but refusing to vote for Sanders. Whereas nearly everywhere else, people voted for their Senator but not Harris.

That tells you all you need to know.

I’m saying that unlike nearly every other Democratic Senator, he performed worse than Harris. That’s a lackluster result.

If he somehow won Fox News voters, then it was at the expense of losing even more voters elsewhere. That’s not a recipe for winning nationwide.

And no, you cannot blame it on Vermont. Harris turned out Vermont voters, why couldn’t Sanders turn out as many as she did?

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Given his lackluster election results, apparently they don’t actually find him very captivating.

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A movement that calls it quits after losing an election is not a serious movement. It’s more like a performance.

Maybe that’s why nobody was listening to you.

I assure you there are Fox news viewers in Vermont, too.

Bernie won fewer votes in Vermont, his home state, than Kamala. One of the rare incumbent Democratic Senators who actually underperformed Harris.

Here’s a meaningful difference:

Harris supported a two-state solution with the eventual goal of an independent Palestine.

Trump will oversee the formal annexation of Gaza and the West Bank “Judea and Samara”, marking the end of any hope for a future Palestinian state.

A few observations:

• This won’t be the first time those media outlets have been sued for libel. It’s a common enough occurrence that they keep lawyers around ready to litigate. So this isn’t as chilling as Trump might hope.
• Litigation means discovery. If Trump wants to win, he’ll have to turn over his private records to NYT lawyers. If he refuses then his case will be thrown out.
• Once Trump takes office, it will be harder to pull this kind of crap. Only private individuals can sue for defamation, the government cannot.

Simmons argued that this move would keep Harris from having to oversee “her own defeat” when the presidential election is certified in the Senate

If Gore can do it, so can Harris

Bush was popular among Latinos, and got 40% of their vote in 2004. But that’s not true of all Republicans since then. McCain got 31% in 2008, and Romney got 27% in 2012.

Trump himself only got 29% in 2016 (much less than this year).

I don’t think it’s that difficult. Trump had a rather focused message: anti-immigration and pro-tariffs. He hammered just two issues and it brought out his biggest demographics, uneducated whites and business owners. The big surprise to Democrats is that this also won over many Latino voters.

Democrats need to be similarly focused on their biggest demographics, with two or three major initiatives to differentiate them from the GOP.

Codifying Roe worked to bring out college educated voters. They should probably keep that.

Now add a major new program aimed at blue collar voters (Harris lacked this) and a major new program aimed at Latino and/or Black voters (Harris lacked this too).

Same thing that happened every time Bernie tried to run nationwide. Did he take his own advice?

If Kamala were only running in Vermont, she would have won too.

There were more Harris voters in Vermont than Sanders voters. So maybe Bernie should be listening to Kamala.

Don’t flatter yourself. If everyone who voted for a third party had voted for Harris instead, she still would have lost.

Leftists are too small a constituency to put Democrats over the top.

Turnout was at record highs. So the problem wasn’t “activating low propensity voters”.

The problem was that those voters were already activated, and they preferred Trump.