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That’s what…she said?

Conversely:

So did that homegrown green

Executive is president and staff, legislative are the house and Senate. All are elected. Executive nominates judges and Congress approves or dicks around and holds the seat hostage for a year+ because one party is gaming the system a certain way to the detriment of the country (less judges, longer court lines for everything including immigration which is one reason it’s such a clusterfuck). Supreme Court are just the nine most powerful judges of the ultimate court. Since we have multiple levels of judges for various reasons.

You having those friends doesn’t mean you’re not sheltered if you live in a place where it’s not happening as much.

You mentioned the southern states so you know what’s going on it just isn’t in your face or affecting you, hence “sheltered”.

Depends, are we expecting the sub to survive?

Two man-children enter, the doors are locked, and the building is buried.

Long live humanity.

It’s almost like their arguments are entirely in bad faith.

Kind of. In an ideal world where all the instances have already been created so we know what communities have what content. The problem is that as more people migrate and create their own instances or communities there will inevitably be new ones that are automatically federated with shit that just goes over a line of decency. As things change over time, so will the instances and which other instances they’re federated with.

“Lemmygrad doesn’t seem to be a very friendly instance unless you have those specific political loyalties, and it seems self-isolating as well to an extent, I just want to foster a culture of not letting anyone control what you see or what you can say, and also a culture of accountability and feedback. I just think thats what makes communities alive and good.”

So do that. Create your own instance. Here you’re just complaining that the people in this instance don’t have the same opinion towards fostering open lines with asshats.

The only downside with that is that since this is a server with no join restrictions, trolls can keep spinning up new accounts to troll with and the current mod tools don’t have other ways to handle that.

The only way is to preassemble your Tuesday Tacos and then smash them to desired nacho consistency.

Well for starters, your instance users are pretty much the only ones popping in and complaining that we’re defederated from lemmygrad, despite it not affecting you at all.

Y’know, since you’re on a different instance and all.

Attempting to exert influence on a different instance seems kinda like the federation attempting to affect this instance, no?

I’m talking about the fediverse since tech has advanced quite a bit from when email was first starting up which has increased the capability of trolls to cause problems.

As for why you should help out, you’re the one demanding access to a community that has set rules and doesn’t have the tools to enforce it exactly the way you want so… Maybe step up and stop complaining so much? How is it such a crisis that a community closes it’s gates? It’s likely not permanent and can be reversed when said mod tools reach the usability needed.

In another example, cell phone companies allow users to keep their number and call anyone on any service.

However they also have laws to block people who use that accessibility to troll others (spam calls).

You’re expecting an open sourced, volunteer network to have the same controls as private companies with departments dedicated to keeping these issues in check. Your analogy does not work.

In your country example, each country has users verified (passports) and travel between two countries is not allowed without proof of their verified identity which comes with other controls for restricting individuals on a case by case basis as they break the laws of the country they immigrate to. Lemmy does not have those tools yet, so until they do the point is moot. How about you help create those tools since you view the current status as such a travesty?

Yeah, that seemed fairly obvious to me and I’ve only been here for fiveish days. Even in reddit we had subreddits go private to keep their community from getting trolled which seems pretty similar but new refugees for some reason don’t understand that.

Anyone else noticing that the only people getting pissy about this instance being defederated from beehaw due to trolls…

…Aren’t even from from this instance?

Just asshats from exploding heads feeling the need to come defend their right to be dicks.

Ah, I was even thinking just a profile for each instance.

Like one instance ticks the “users need verification” like beehaw vs “free entry” like sh.it just.works, or political leaning restrictions like tankies/no tankies so that each community can better decide which instances to federate with based on their values. You could either have them set by the mods or through community vote so that each instance has the chance to develop more organically with users able to find instances they likely will match with.

Kinda like creating an instance “tinder profile”?

Where each instance toggles their settings on what’s allowed/what they’re looking to foster?

Bigotry is “obstinate or unreasonable attachment to a belief, opinion, or faction, in particular prejudice against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group”

When they are outright denying abuse of a minority group and supporting the power that abused, that becomes bigotry as an example.

I would also expect exploding heads to be defederated due to the same reasons.

We should apply that evenly and if the admin does not, then I will likely move to a server that does.

As it stands now, it would have been nice if there was an announcement but even the examples brought up in this thread of “discussion about defederation in other instances” it was a user who asked why a server was defederated and the mod responded. There was no vote or community feedback at the start.

You mean like the rule that states no bigotry?