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  • You ignored nearly all of my comment and just repeated your logical fallacies.

    it is possible to use a scientific approach to figure out what works and what doesn’t.

    Refer back to how this is meaningless. Every country in existence “works” and changing what you mean by “works” means it’s not scientific (which it shouldn’t be).

    I haven’t even brought up the low hanging fruit of how since the USSR failed and the USA still exists, then “scientifically” socialism doesn’t work if you use that logic.

    And something working doesn’t mean it is scientifically correct or true, because that’s conflating poor philosophy with poor moralizing. It also doesn’t “prove” that it is the only thing that works, or that it’s the best thing we could have, or that anything couldn’t be better, or another way wouldn’t be just as good, or…

    Which is why enforcing conformity and punishing deviation because socialism is “scientific” is fucking stupid, because you can’t prove or even know any of the above.


  • scientific approach to politics

    It’s not, because no approach to politics is. It’s not reproducible, and there’s no control. You can argue it’s logical, but that’s different.

    Also, this means that literally any functioning state “clearly works” as well, many of which have been around longer than modern China. Any place that isn’t pure chaos is a valid approach to politics with this argument, and if you (correctly) change what you mean by “works” to be some other criteria, then it’s not a pure evidence based approach anymore since we’ve brought value judgements into it.

    Politics can never be purely scientific because we have to make value judgements. Being purely “scientific” is what most communists criticize pure utilitarianism for.



  • You honestly think citizens should be publicly punished and shamed for purely strategic reasons? I somehow don’t believe that.

    every Party member must uphold it

    Sounds like a moral imperative to me tbh

    But honestly this is just more examples of trying to weasel out of hypocritical positions like evangelical Christians do. Change some words around and act like it’s a different thing even though the real world effect is the same, which is funny for a group that claims to deal in material conditions.

    “I don’t HATE you, I just think you deserve to go to Hell.”

    “We don’t denounce deviation because deviating is immoral, we denounce it because it would be bad game theory not to.”