But “new” in the context of shopping just means “not used”, not that it was released in the past year or two.

And as I mentioned in another reply, they are not advertising anything false if those components are actually unused. If the buyer expects some band new, recently released machine with those specs, it’s on them. When you’re buying electronics, some minimal amount of research is required, or you outsource it to your family/friends.

Of course it’s not new new, the CPU is 10 years old. But who would think that it is?

Misses a jeans-wearing moss behind an orb.

Ok, I think I now understand the point of this thread. The implication is that some people might assume that these are brand new machines that will have software support for years to come. Even though, that’s confusing to me, as no new machine with those specs costs only 200 Euros. Like, that CPU alone, if used, cost 40-60 Euros. But IMO it’s still a stretch to call this a scam, as they are selling what they are selling. Can these machines run W11 right now? Yes. If the buyer expects something else for that price, it’s on them. The target audience could still be tech-savvy ppl who just need an older machine for simple stuff and W11 is pre-installed there just for convenience.

What does it matter that Microsoft considers it piracy? If they got the keys for cheap somewhere, it’s a real licensed version anyway and will work fine.
I can order retro emulation handhelds from China and it will arrive with 1000s of ROMs, which is literal piracy, but that doesn’t make it a scam.

Not officially, but I have, in the past, installed W11 on a computer from 2010. And it worked fine, all things considered.

But are you certain they aren’t new and this is a scam? I’m interested to know how you determined those are used.

Btw, where does it say “Nuovo”? I can’t find it. Is it not on the screenshot?

But “e-waste” means something so outadet that it’s useless. Or unrepairable. Those computers are perfectly fine for 80% of users.

And are they explicitly saying that these are new? While you know for sure it’s heavily used equipment?

Do you mean you wouldn’t consider it a scam if it has W10 preinstalled instead? How much is MS Office anyway? I know there are $5 W11 keys all over the place.

That seems like an entirely different problem from the one being discussed.

Could you explain why you consider these overpriced/scam? If those use new parts and come with warranty, at least the top one, seems fine. Can you do a breakdown of what it should cost?

My Windows PC has i5-6500 in it and I definitely don’t consider it e-waste.

I saw list item 1 more as “I want my phone to last for 5+ years, so I will want to replace my battery eventually”, rather than “I wanna wreck my battery fast, so it better be replaceable”. Being wasteful with your battery like that goes against the spirit of Fairphone, IMO.

2.5 years isn’t that long to evaluate battery degradation IMO, and as you said, you mostly don’t even push your battery that hard. And the article even seems to imply that faster charging does impact battery life, it’s just that manufacturers consider 100w a sweet-spot between charging speed and battery degradation.

Surely, that impacts the battery longevity, right? Personally, I disable all fast-charging features and charge my phone overnight.

P.S. Sorry for calling you Shirley.

Why do you need 120 watts charging for a phone? Most laptops don’t even support 100w.

I know that avatar cause that user works on Analogue Pocket FPGA cores.

Could any duck/goose experts please clarify whether that’s a goose or not?

Ok, thanks! Good to know there’s a backup plan. For now Arc still works fine, just no updates anymore.

Does any other browser let me open 2 windows with the same synced tabs? Also, permanent per-space tabs, please.