I think corporations will just pass on the cost to the consumers if they don’t get subsidies lol.

Given our reliance on it it’s a lot more than just basic supply and demand

And FYI I drive a Toyota myself, it’s handmade in a special factory and the fit and finish is absolutely horrible.

But somehow within the Toyota and the greater car community people always give it a pass because it’s a ToyOTa

I’ve checked them out in the showroom, the fit and finish when they’re not built like shit is actually alright.

I personally have never ever noticed Teslas which YUUUUUGE panel gaps either. And they are popular where I live.

They are decent cars still like I said. Talking about the base model. You cannot possibly find a better EV or RWD car at that budget where I live.

Even a base C200 or 320i cost a lot more than the base model 3. Like 25-40% as much. If that is not decent I don’t know what is.

they have higher than reported number of build failures, such as presence of panel gap but that does not indicate ALL of them come like that.

McLaren and Maseratis spring to mind, and have similar traits. It does not make them shit cars at all.

lol, do you mean panel gaps? that has more to do with manufacturing process. I’m more referring to the features they provide for the price they’re selling at. They’re decent.

I can assure you, cars can get a lot less decent than Teslas… Korean cars in the early 2000s for example…

Pretty sure we will destroy ourselves first with war or some other climate disasters first

depending on where you live, here in Australia some states have very strong tax incentive. So strong to the point whereby even an Accord or Sonata is priced similarly. For those that do not care about all these dramas or the technicalities of ownership the Model Y and 3 are both really good cars.

i personally wouldn’t get one tho, if i had spend so much money i’ll probably save a bit more and get a used GR Supra or Civic Type R.

over the course of 30 years*. people rarely keep cars for that long, let alone an EV. by year 10 most EVs will be clapped as fuck you might just have to sell it for scrap metal

fact is Teslas still represent good value if you’re just after a base Model Y and 3. they’re are OK, average, decent.

fit and finish is far from German counterparts but if you don’t care, and don’t want a Chinese EV either you’re left with Tesla.

The products are decent. Just that there are a lot more competitions that make much better cars.

S9+ from over 5 years ago

he’s been missing out on 3 years + of security updates kek

*cries in Samsung

“i can’t participate in a normal, healthy discussion and refute the other person with clearly made out points so I am going to resort to ad-hominem insults to gaslight and invalidate his points.”

the “wokeist” label wasn’t directed at you, i’m more commenting about individuals that take issue with cApiTaliSm but not really addressing the issue properly. Wokeists THINK capitalism is wrong BECAUSE it is capitalism. I am all for income redistribution and support a just and equitable society if you’re wondering before you come at me again.

In any case, you’re the one asserting it’s a scam, shouldn’t you be the one explaining why capitalism is a scam? the onus is on you mate, not the person cross-examining you.

Phoebus Cartel, essentially the few oligopolistic light bulb companies got together and colluded and intentionally reduced the lifespan of light bulbs.

calling capitalism a scam is moot, the other viable alternative, socialism is even worse.

also, no country on planet earth is pure-capitalism, not even in US. Northern European countries have proven that market economy with the right taxation policies can effectively distribute income. I wished more wokeist knew about this or at least bothered to do a bit of research.

I don’t get it – why are so many here sooo defensive about a rich toy thing you’ll never own? And if you do own one, so what? Sheesh it’s just metal, not your identity.

Did you just try to make 2 assumptions and hopefully 1 of them applies to me, and then make a projection assuming that one of the assumption is correct…? wat?

too bad, the answer is neither, i’m JDM all the way, they’re not supercars, they’re easy to drive when you don’t put in a carbon clutch lol…

let’s keep this civil and save the ad-hominem insults, and discuss this like an adult. are we all capable of being an adult? i hope so?

…and the nitwits who buy them ought to know how to drive them, no?

Yea, but a non-car enthusiast that does not know how to drive a manual will likely not purchase a manual supercar.

The clutch are designed like that. Cars with heavy duty clutches inherently struggle at low speeds, that combined with super light flywheel.

You should watch Jay Leno or Harry’s Garage, they review older supercars from time to time. they don’t look like they’re nice to handle around town either. Jeremy Clarkson has a video about the Countach too, you should watch it. I hope you would come to the conclusion that supercars are not exactly the nicest cars to drive…

I note that you run some kind of a blog with old automobiles. i suggest that you keep your mind open, be open to ideas and listen to what other people have to say and not bash other people for the sake of bashing it. You would think we left this kind of mentality at Reddit but here we are. I wish you all the best and hope you drop this immature mentality. You’re old, you know what to do. Make the world a better place and not make it worse.

save the mansplaining

i’m not the binary guy here. i love all cars hey? I do believe an old ass Honda Fit modded in the garage gives you more satisfaction than owning a supercar. there i said it.

also, a decent mechanic would have known that a supercar equipped with a manual will most likely come with heavy duty clutches that are a fucking bitch to drive at low speed.

you’re phrasing it as if it’s common knowledge and everybody should know some shitty local race from the other side of the pond.

you could probably tell judging by the tone he’s probably one of those insufferable boomer right? and you know i’m right, how can anyone claim that 1960s cars are better than what car manufacturers have put out in the past 20-30 years? If he’s talking from the point of nostalgia it’s OK, we all love classic cars. But to dismiss modern cars because apparently people that built them died is just stupid.

developing countries always have the highest taxes. i’m not aware of a single developing country that has cheap cars…

bro can’t even:

1. spell LeMans
2. has no clue how carbon and triple plated clutch works,
3. and appreciate the fact that super cars have terrible turning radius…

probably doesn’t know shit about cars making a stupid dumb statement like that. there are so many modern analog cars that have not only more soul, but outperform any older cars by every single metric in terms of reliability, engineering, safety, comfort etc. Case in point : LFA, Pagani Zonda, 911 GT3 RS, Nissan GTR and MANY MANY more.