As per the other articles, you know collaborators are picked just because.

And you think from the hundreds of thousand of collaborators they will punish them mildly and selectivity?

Yea but also per Ukrainian law you are not allowed to hold two citizensships. Hence you either dont have one or are a Russian for the Ukrainian goverment.

Ukraines plans with Russian citizens if they win the war.

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-crimea-9da550b396f42cc267a4808bf99d5e6d

Yes. Now they got the passports.

Now read what happens when they got it. https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-crimea-9da550b396f42cc267a4808bf99d5e6d

Whataboutism or whataboutery (as in “what about…?”) is a pejorative for the strategy of responding to an accusation with a counter-accusation instead of a defense of the original accusation.

What I did not do. I told you the claim of genocide does not apply as the amount of civilian casualties is lower that other similar scaled modern wars. Who did I accuse in my counter accusation?

Then they don’t have any left. Because Ukraine aint giving them the Ukrainian.

Mass civial graves where fake. German TV stations showed clearly military graves and claimed it was civilian. I saw the bodies.

Deported children. What would you do with children in a warzone? Shitty but better then dying due to shellings.

Torture chambers? Yes just as anyone does.

Mass rapes where fake due to the Ukraine’s generals attorney not being able to find any evidence of them. ( also they then fired the Ukrainian minister for humanitarian right due to constantly making those up)

Violence was and constantly is done to civilians on the Ukraine’s side. Just look at draft videos in Ukriane.

To think that Ukraine would just deport its own citizens into the hell

I don’t think it I souced it.

If you have read the thread or the articles you would know that that could mean either prison, death or being forced out.

Well either keep those that are. Or kill more people to have em moved. Wich you like more?

But thats, exactly what I ment?

Nice. Establish some traitor purges next. But nice try Stalin, go kil some people you disagree with somewhere else.

OK. just look at real word examples of the US Afganistan withdrawal. How many civilans do you think got killed? How many deliberately? Rewatch the videos, there is enough videos of people fleeing from the approching army, ( wich noted, is supported by the majority of afganistan ) And dying in they’re attemnt. If you want that what happens in Kabul. You apperently don’t want what is good for.the civilans.

Countless civilian is wrong as I have shown. Compared to other modern wars its pritty tame. In Gaza already the same amout of civilians got killed that im Ukraine over the 3-4 years.

civilians that support the illegal and brutal invasion might suffer some consequences?

Like who? Doctors that help the dying? So before Russia was there they had to help the local village people. After Russia came they had to tell em take a hike?

I don’t know how you can argue, in good faith that doctors, policemen, teachers, townhall workers, etc. Who just continued workig in they’re communities should be punshed.

Where? In a Ukranian Embassy? There is none on occupied territory.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/03/russia-forcing-ukrainian-passports-us-report

And Ukraine sad countless times that anyone taking these is a traitor. Even if its enforced.

He removes Army. Innocent non combatants die due to chaos.

Yes it is.

About those who where there pre 2014. They took up Russian citizenship. Now they count as collaborators and traitors. If you for example are policemen, doctor or have anything to do with the goverment, under Russian occupation you go to prison, as a traitor.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/06/08/europe/ukraine-hunt-for-collaborators-intl/index.html

OK and what about the civilans living there?

Do you know that they now have Russian citizensship and under Ukrainian Law will be either put in prisons or forced out?

OK. Tell me what would the Ukrainians do if he stopped.

True, I dont want a nuclear war.

why were they there to begin with?

Because they lived there before the war.

No, there is something stopping them from accepting them as citizens. The laws Ukraine has set in place.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/03/russia-forcing-ukrainian-passports-us-report https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-crimea-9da550b396f42cc267a4808bf99d5e6d

Do you mean Ukraine? No. I would prefer a three alliance sollution, where Baltic states, poland, Ukraine, serbia, and some other countries join a military alliance. Strong enough to stand on they’re own. Wich is neutral towards NATO and Russia. Hence there would be stratigic balance between NATO and Russia. Russia would not bee needing to fear NATO nuclear weapons on their border while NATO would have a puffer zone towards Russia. This Baltic Alliance could be the trading crossroads while also having much closer ties and stronger garantees to each other. ( there is a common fear that if one of the smaller NATO countries would be attacked that article 5 wouldnt be enacted upon due to the “insignificance“ of the smaller country. )

Additionaly if Russia or NATO tried taking their independence they could join up for an alliance with the other one.