80% of dems are against AIPACs war. 90% are pro universal health care. Everyone is anti war with iran and struggling with affordability. I dont know why dem candidates are so timid in making that a juggernaut of a platform. An election win is right there for the taking.

roblox can beat that fine easy. Zuck is never in first place-- even at failing. Always a middle of the pack wannabe.

yes. We do know that he’s not. Because he doesnt have much influence within the Dem party. He never has. So he’s not convincing anyone in Dem leadership, but you can see with your own eyes right here that he is trying to sheepdog the progressives.

Because they lead to different outcomes. One is continued domination by aipac of both parties and the other sets all aipac support on the republican side. If the dems stop taking aipac cash they stand a chance of winning, and dem voters will get off their couches because they can hold their head up high again. Dem voters overwhelmingly (80%) do not support aipac’s genocide. Its more than enough to form a party win around, and reforge what democrats stand for.

Do you want to win or what?

there was an Israeli study done decades ago

The Israeli medical and research industries are rife with scams. They “cure cancer” about three times a year. You can’t reasonably believe anything any of their “studies” say. They publish them purely for self interest.

White collar crime is an epidemic in Israel. About 5% of Israels gdp is money laundering, for instance. Thats VERY high. They arent just shitty and criminal to non-zios, they lie and steal amongst themselves as well.

Do the dems want it to recover? Or even more on point, does Israel want it recover? I dont think they really do.

No more science, just executive orders.

A slamming. oh my.

The balls on this guy. I love it.

all you ever see you do with your comments is attack the left, givesomefucks. You run interference for Ken Martin ignoring Gaza in the last thread I saw you in, and here you attack Hogg. You are as rabidly conservative a “democrat” as they come.

Theres nothing but fascism down the road that your opinions live on.

You’re confused. I’m about as far from a zionist as you can be, and that comment I wrote wasnt zionist. Look at my comment history and show us all the zionism you’re seeing.

edit: or yes you can just downvote your ally and run away, also fine.

If Ken martin was so out of touch that he didnt recognize that genocide support played a role in the last election then why is he qualified to lead the DNC at all? And if we are to pretend that he only just now has the clue that it was part of the lost election ,why isnt he saying so and working on it, hrm? He created a task force and called for unrestricted aid. Thats him trying to take both sides rather than addressing the issue like his voters want. You cant have it both ways givesomefucks. Either it was a key reason for the loss and needs to be addressed with real action, or its wasnt an issue in the last election. Which is it.

Martin knew the entire time that gaza was an issue. He just doesnt want to lose aipac donations. And that is the reasons dems lost and will continue to lose, despite your cheerleading on the sidelines. Your opinion here wont lead to election wins. I dont know how many lost elections you and the DNC need to see to understand this. No genocide, no zionists. Period.

and the centrist dems still wont talk about it.

take over the dems (long shot, been tried many many times) or start a new party. Lets try both. The republicans are a lost cause though, and we’re clearly short on time.

You may be forgetting that Biden sponsored the start of the genocide. Tens of thousand were murdered through his support. Its painful to hear and I’d love to just blame it on the republicans, but aipac utterly owns both parties and pretending that isnt so just keeps us trapped in this forever.

the democratic party will actively try to eff us over like they always do. We have to hold them accountable for their actions or we may as well just let AIPAC openly run the party.

What if we just gave the Argentinian team to ICE.

You know you paused just now and considered it for a second.

We’re not all dumb, some of us are just full of hate, fears, and insecurities.

I think it’d be a lot easier and smarter for Bernie to convince the centrist dem leadership to stop supporting genocide and at least pretend to give a crap about the needs of the voters than bernie asking all dem voters to support genocide (thats implicitely what he is doing if we are real about his ask) and to support a dem party that ignores the peoples needs.

If I understand your comment, you are framing this as republicans looking to split the dems using propoganda. I think its much more complicated than that. It’s a fact that traditional Dem voters are far past focussing solely on republicans as the root of all of our problems. Dems and republicans have 26-27% of the voter registrations each and independents are 45%. You can only eff Dem voters in the rear and ignore their problems so many times (while committing a massively unpopular genocide for donations) before Dem voters stop considering their party as representing them-- and they’ll sit on the couch when they do.

Its convenient for people to pretend its a dem vs republican fight, but its really dem vs republicans vs couch. Couch is doing really well lately. People are sick of Trump’s idiocy and also sick of the DNC’s incompetence, self interest, and outright treachery. There is no democracy here until we make it happen.