You’re talking about La Folette and Wheeler? I don’t remember anything they advocated for being too bad, but I haven’t looked at their proposed policies in a long time. Wouldn’t that be natural of a truly progressive movement, though? What was “progressive” one hundred years ago should hopefully be status quo, and what’s progressive now could scantly be imagined back then.

Keith David

Current.

As the bartender, she had cut-off and 86 authority. Act sideways with a bartender, find another place to drink. But when the creeps are your “peers” I think it’s tougher to navigate.

The lack of votes for Harris did that.

That makes assumptions, like that they would have had all the ingredients available or that they would eat enough subs to make buying the ingredients more viable.

Living up to the middle of your username, I see.

that’s a sticky question,

No, the banshee-wailing fuck it isn’t!

If someone truly believes they are in fucking danger, they need to remove themselves from the danger first and foremost, before any consideration of “but what about next election?”

O, to be so proverbially blissful.

Uh huh, there I go again? This suddenly shifted from a reasonable conversation to bad faith rhetoric. This is collectively the fault of everyone who made piss poor, ineffectual efforts to stop it as a unified bloc. That encompasses a lot of folks. But as long as you have the specter of “they did it, not me” then I guess it’s easier to avoid speculation as to why we all can’t win.

I’m as guilty of that by saying that aligning with the larger contingent was the best way through, I suppose. But failing to even make a reasonable effort was beyond the pale. I didn’t want the outcome we got, but far too many leftists and progressives seemed comfortable with flirting with disaster.

Did you envision a worse outcome than the one we got? Because, for me, it was the most unfavorable situation. Working backward from that, it seemed self-evident that the clear path to avoiding it was to throw in with the only other viable option.

Anything else, any more complex assessment of the choice that was given to us, invited in division. The fascist platform was “fuck you” and everyone to the left of that was more concerned with the etymology of the phrase or the moral implications of flipping someone off than firing back with “no, fuck YOU” and sorting out the details once we found out whether or not there were enough of us who didn’t want to be fucked.

Equally a shame that so many to the left of the Dems felt that their faces could use a little spiting and went straight to work on their noses.

Regardless of what wagon we arrived in, we’re all here now. And we’re quite short on options that will improve our circumstances.

I’ve heard that progressive policies are quite popular and get people to the polls.

It will stay with you forever, and you’re smart enough to know it.

How many progressive candidates gained seats in this election?

You are pushed from the 10th floor some time in the next week, or you are pushed from the 10th floor immediately and shot after impact.

Which is better?

Sick of it, or just sick of being not very good at it?

I fear we’ve lost the chance to move to something better than FPTP and WTA.

We didn’t have the luxury of not being held hostage by FPTP, WTA, and the absence of a viable “good” choice.

Yet we still couldn’t unite against fascism.

And now it’s here, delivered right to our doorsteps, no signature required.

There’s a more than reasonable chance that any perceived “education” of the dems has become completely moot. The fascists have full control of the government. The checks and balances no longer apply. There are no brakes.

Nah. It was you and yours who couldn’t do the math and realize that a united front was the only path away from fascism. Now we’re all stuck with it.

Also:

You needed to fucking listen to your betters who understand this world more than the assumptions you want to make about it

Your arrogance and hubris have damned us all.

Astounding self-awareness on display.

So you’re happy with where we are today?

How much closer did you get to progressivism this election?