I sadly don’t think that’s the case. I still talk to people every day who are parroting 50s-era anti-communist propaganda straight from the mouth of the CIA unironically. Circumstances may be dire, that I don’t dispute, but I feel like they’re going to have to be considerably worse before most people are willing to overcome their indoctrinated bias and start considering alternatives that don’t involve ‘maybe make capitalism suck a little less?’
Kissinger was Jewish, so that was antisemitism. That’s how it works (according to Israel), any political statement or action made against anyone who is Jewish is antisemitism, right? :P
Hmm, someone call maga a waaaaahmbulance, it’s nappy time.
I mean it’s definitely both, but the fashy admins were the last straw.
If you feel like hunting for it I’d be happy to look at it, but I’m not gonna go digging in your posts for who knows how long to find it.
Yep, entirely fair. S’why I left.
I’m not complaining about people leaving, just saying the bots are not the biggest problem.
That’s fair, it just seems like that if they’re going down the list of problems looking for things they can do to make reddit a better place, it doesn’t make sense to not start at the top.
I agree that’s definitely the case, but I think the problem here is that most Americans can’t tell minorities apart, they see brown skin and assume. I once watched a grown adult yell ‘Mexican go home’ to a Pakistani couple, and this sort of thing is far too common.
Yeah it’s definitely the bots and not the fashy admins that drove me away from reddit.
I definitely think there would’ve been more outrage if it was Obama vs Biden, but this is a tribal thing, Democrats are ‘them’ and any perceived slight by ‘them’ must be countered in the strongest possible terms, so there would still have been plenty of outrage at Biden too.
Sure I get that loads of people really hated Obama for lots of reasons. I sincerely don’t think this is a racial thing though: it’s a tribal thing, us vs them. Republicans are perceived as being on the side of Christianity (us) so they are given a lot more leeway in these matters, where Democrats (them) are the enemy of Christianity and every slight however small must be countered in the strongest possible terms (see: ‘the war on Christmas’ and other stupid shit.)
Would the outrage have been greater if it was Obama instead of Biden? Absolutely, I’m not questioning that at all. I’m just saying don’t think there wouldn’t be outrage against Biden just because he’s not black.
Oh yeah I totally get that, that was my point: it’s not white privilege, it’s just telling people what they want to hear.
Yup. When he did those nazi salutes I didn’t think ‘omg he’s secretly a nazi’, it was ‘omg that fucking 12-year-old edgelord cringe-factory is so fucking proud of himself for pulling that off.’
To be clear I do think he’s a nazi, just not because of that salute. Dude has some weird ideas about ‘spreading his seed’ and shit that I’ve only ever seen in fanatically religious communities and among white supremacists.
The first step is not accepting everything you read at face value. Start investigating the claims you see on the news or social media and you will develop a sense for which ones tend to be bullshit and which ones tend not to be, you will learn to recognize the bullshit ideas not because they’re obviously bullshit at first, but because they’re surrounded by the kind of language that bullshit claims are often smuggled into. It’s just pattern-matching, it’s a skill like everything else and you can practice it and get better. One way to do this is to just find a news article, scroll to a random point in it, highlight a sentence that makes a truth claim about something, and go ‘That seems like bullshit, I’ll look for corroborating sources’ even if you’re sure it’s true. Then go do find 3-4 other sources that talk about the same thing and see how they shade things differently. Aside from learning to match the pattern you also learn which sources are more or less reliable, more or less biased, etc. A good tool for this specifically for news is GroundNews, every article they show includes ratings for how biased the source is, a list of other sources that also report on the same incident and what their biases are, etc. Plus it’s been my experience that looking at things from several angles is kind of like drawing a bunch of lines that pass near the point of truth - the more lines you draw, the narrower the space in which the truth must reside, so the easier it is to find the center.
The second and perhaps most important step is being willing to be wrong, especially in public. Be concerned not about whether or not you will look bad but whether or not you are putting good information out there. Develop the habit of stopping in the middle of your political rant or whatever and going ‘Wait, am I sure about this? I should check.’ In a similar vein, get into the habit of providing sources for your own claims, even if only because that reinforces the habit of checking yourself. I discuss politics a lot online and have often found myself going ‘Oh yeah, well <this> is how the world really works!’, then I go looking for a source to cite and discover that I was wrong. Don’t flee from that uncomfortable feeling, swallow your pride and embrace it. The more you get into the habit of checking yourself the easier it becomes to remember to check others too, and again, the more familiar you become with what truth and bullshit look like from the inside and from the outside. It will also help you develop a bit of humility, which is unrelated but still a good thing to have.
Also on the subject of sources, look for authoritative sources first. If you’re investigating a claim about vaccines making people sick, for example, don’t look for news articles about it; go straight to the CDC where they have data about adverse incident rates for vaccines that is publicly available. When you hear about something that happened in a particular place check the local newspapers first because they’re likely to have picked up the story before anyone else and are more committed to providing accurate information that’s relevant to locals than the national media, they tend to sensationalize stories less. This isolates you somewhat from some of the more egregious bias and spin out there.
I’ve been on the internet since like 1992 and I’ve never once capitalized it, and I don’t think I’ve ever seen it capitalized. shrug
No, I have to assume he’s doing it on purpose and thinks he looks cool and fails to realize what a complete fucking moron he looks like.
Iono about the white part, Biden couldn’t have pulled that off either.
Someone with some photoshop skill ought to change this to be the face from the painting Trump said he hated it and then reply to his post with it. Bonus points if you add some greasy McDonald’s stains to the hat and/or robe.
That’s interesting. Like it seems that, like most people, he had a complex relationship with his heritage and the way it manifested in the world. But what’s especially telling is despite him making the antisemitic comment about breaking of the 1973 ceasefire it turns out he gave them the green light to break it, so that makes it seem like that comment might’ve just been an act for the benefit of others. Saying the equivalent of ‘Oh lawd, those silly Israelis are breaking ceasefires again’, etc, to conceal or misdirect from his involvement in giving them the go-ahead.
But also this isn’t particularly relevant to the joke I was making. Which is that Israel calls anything said or done against Jewish people for any reason antisemitism, so I was turning that back on Israel for doing/saying things against a Jew. It’s funny regardless of Kissinger’s relationship with his ethnicity/religion or Israel because it’s about Israel, not Kissinger.