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Someone suggested to me the other day that safetynet was now (or will soon be) deprecated. I’m not sure what the situation is with regards to attestation, though I sort of dread to think about what will replace it.

There’s also the handy public instance https://send.vis.ee

Appreciate the additional context! Have thankfully not needed to use the safetynet module with microg either.

I appreciate that you’re trying to inform me but if you make such a claim, you should be able to prove it.

A friend was able to provide some context, regardless:

• The one binary I’m aware of microG downloading (assuming it still does) is the SafetyNet “DroidGuard” thing, which it only does if you explicitly enable SafetyNet, which is not on by default. There is no other way to provide it.

• microG only has privileged access if you install it as a privileged app, which is up to you / your distribution, as microG works fine as a user app (provided signature spoofing is available to it). Also, being privileged itself really doesn’t mean giving privileges to “Google”.

• Apps needing Google services may indeed contain all sorts of binaries, generally including Google ones, which doesn’t mean they contain Google services themselves. Anyway, they are proprietary apps and as such will certainly contain proprietary things, and it’s all to you to install them or not. It’s not like microG includes them.

• Its also just a reimplementation of a small handful of useful Google services, such as push notifications, or the maps (not the spyware stuff like advertising) and each can be toggled on/off.

• Also all apps on android are sandboxed

I appreciate the info. For my own learning, could you provide a link to some context around the types of official binaries leveraged by microG? The only firm info I have of its behaviour is that it will pseudonomise as much user information as possible.

I’m familiar with sandboxed google play on grapheneOS and have used it in the past.

Can you elaborate on being misled there?

As for google devices - yes, there’s irony in the notion that the most de-googleable phones are theirs, sure. They’re often sold at a loss around the holiday season, though.

I also use calyx but I’ll agree that graphene is technologically superior of the two. I’m more comfortable with the idea of using MicroG as opposed to sandboxes google play but that’s not to slant the implementation in any way.

Good to know, though same could be said for ROCm + HIP for AMD. Gets a bit weird as you generally want that for OCL support too.

This may take time but Intel have extremely deep pockets, they understand the value of presence in this market, I’m sure they can and will stick to it.

There’s no stupid questions here - there’s absolutely nothing intuitive about computer ecosystems 😅

Like AMD, they use a kernel module and their user space drivers are in Mesa. If anything, you may have a better OOTB experience with Intel graphics on distros that have more recent packages, like Fedora.

A third player is absolutely welcome to the game but their share is for now still small on Windows.

The Arc Alchemist dGPU bringup has shown the world just how difficult graphics driver software is. They’ve made excellent progress lately in key areas (on both Windows and Linux) but there are are still many odd gaps to fill.

Battlemage mobile looks pretty exciting, mind you.

None whatsoever. You’re good to use heliboard with the gesture input library. There is also the FUTO keyboard, which somehow has a gesture input library built in. I would presume theirs is FOSS but I’ve not done my homework on this.

E: as someone else mentioned, you can deny network permission for gboard with ROMs like LineageOS, GrapheneOS, CalyxOS etc. This is what I did for many years until heliboard came along.

Oh I see, appreciate the background.

Yeah it was very sad to see the byran situation unfold. I was also a fan of that series.

I gather they are or were associates / friends with bryan lunduke, who is an extremely controversial character in the Linux space. That might explain the “bit crazy” remark but I really don’t know much about the nature of their relationship

I mean, sure but even phoenix based OEM platforms tend to ship with win11 anyways, right? Did any of those release with win10 ootb?

Isn’t the same true for the 7950X3D?

I doubt you would have many issues using win10 on this platform if you wanted to.

It’s not very intuitive but it isn’t so bad once you’re familiar; you can take a look at this whenever’s convenient for you.

When you boot the system, you should briefly see your BIOS splash screen, along with the key combo to get into your BIOS setup menu. Let us know which mainboard vendor you have and we may be able to tell you in advance (For Asus, it’s usually F2, for Gigabyte its the Delete key, for MSI it might be F12 etc). I just mash the specified key when prompted until I’m in.

There’s usually also a key that you can hit to select a temporary boot device (I.e. I can hit F12 on my gigabyte board to select any OS detected by the BIOS, not just boot into the top entry).

Once you’re in, have a look for the ‘Boot’ section. You should have the capability to define your boot order. These entries can consist of traditional disks connected via SATA/SCSI/m.2, USB drives, network locations etc.

You can arrange this boot order however you like.

I would also recommended temporarily disconnecting any existing drives when installing an OS on your system (e.g.: Windows attempts to store its bootloader on SATA 0 by default, even if the OS isn’t destined for that drive).

I’d recommend separate physical disks if possible. Set your boot order via uefi

That works. Which service do you use ooc?