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  • Firstly, I am not US Military. I come from a very diverse background of people, some of which are US Military, which is only where my knowledge of certain military aspects come from. My response was delegated in such a way to demonstrate that the commenter I was replying to, had no forethought for what they were asking. If you’re in a situation where the US Military needs to turn on itself, civilians, by proxy, are involved in the war effort. That’s how rebellions work. They are, almost, never fought solely within the faction of government in which it’s taking place; not peacefully, that is. If that was not clear, then the fault is entirely my own.

    Secondly, saying that, [collectively he’s right, but individually I’m right,] is by nature a paradox. If you’d like to point out which aspects of their argument you feel are correct, as well for mine, then you are welcome to do so.

    Lastly, the whole entirety of my point is that, it behooves one strategic effort to keep as many allies within the current system, for as long as possible, to maintain access to weapons, skills, and intel, that would be needed for such a desperate war.

    P.S. I’ve said this before, but the sad fact is, until middle class, white, white collar Americans start losing their rights en masse, there will be no civil war. We’re heading that way, but not there. The administration and SCOTUS, are being quite clever to not bother that base in such a way. So Americans, by and large, will continue this trajectory of getting up, going to work, and putting food on the table. Most Americans don’t care enough about the poor, the immigrants, the unhoused, the minorities, to take drastic enough action to initiate change on a large scale. I do think you are very apt in your words, “Until battle are truly drawn…”. We truly do not have enough information to act on. I appreciate your comment wholly and I enjoy being able to discuss things thoughtfully and respectfully. If you feel I have not done so, let me know as well.


  • You want the most uncomfortable truth of it all? What are you doing to stop this? What’s your role, mate? Or, do you want somebody else to have blood on their hands? That’s the crux of your argument. You want the NG to disregard these orders? Congratulations, you just helped fast track the military being filled with onlya sychophants. You want to NG to fight back against the government? That’s delightful. Will you be taking up arms, or just watching? If you’re gonna fight, why haven’t you already? Your rhetoric is empty, complacent, and devoid of any real action. Which…about sums up Americans when you think about it.

    I never said you were too soft. You are not tactful, or strategic in your thinking. Which means, you don’t actually want to fight. You just want to feel good hyperbolizing in online debates.


  • When playing war games, sacrifices are necessary. Nobody plays chess with the intention to save every piece. The other commenter is correct. If you have people stand up now, before a civil war is fully underway, you have no easy access to the weaponry, skill, etc, that is needed to take on the government. And honestly, it’s exactly what this adminstration wants.

    The administration wants to stomp out any resistance. So, if soldiers start bucking, they’ll be kicked to the curb. Then, when the real shit hits the fan, we have nobody on our side in the military. You are coming at this with the idyllic perspective of soldiers standing up now and kicking off an internal war within the military. But that’s not how they work. The other commenter already mentioned how the UCMJ won’t give soldiers the time of day for this shit.

    It’s easy to stand on top of your soapbox and broadcast your optimism and feel good that your protests are gonna actually make a change. They’re not. We’re totally fucked now. Do you not get it? We’re in the middle game. We have to start seeing what pieces we have to prepare for a worst case scenario in which, we are fighting the US government. That requires sacrifice. It requires calculation. It requires a persistent bad taste in your mouth, because folks like you want to live in an Elysium.

    You have no idea how bad it can get, living under an authoritarian rule. This is nothing, right now, in the grand scheme of things. War is hell, as they say. And we’re about to see it. For my perspective; I’ve entered the “don’t give a fuck” stage. I have a family to protect and that is my one and only priority. As it is with many others. That’s the other point of view, you’re missing out on. It’s not as black and white as you make it out to be, and I wish it were. I wish we could value every human life and treat everyone with dignity and respect. Love and compassion. But we don’t. The mouth of hell is opening, and I’m looking at getting as far away as possible. Because, as in line with my beliefs, I refuse to take a human life. And that is quickly becoming what is required. And I will not abide by that.

    My reply here is just to educate you on the intricacies of war and the violitle situation the United States finds itself in. I’m not trying to be difficult, rude, or aggressive. If I come off that way, it was not my intention. I hope you have a great day, and I hope that the country doesn’t fracture, but I fear it already is.










  • That’s absolutely fair! And I totally get it, in all honesty. I have had lots of doubts throughout my life. I just ended up wanting to believe in a little magic 😊

    I agree with your sentiment about the co-opting by the rich and powerful. It’s a shame how so many good teachings from all religious texts, get twisted into these gaudy things. They become unrecognizable to me. I try to see love and joy in everything I see, and that is just a bummer. Jesus was definitely a cool dude. He’s definitely on a list of religious figures I’d like to meet, along with Krishna.


  • So, this is an interesting tidbit. Although they are two distinct collections, in the Christian mythos they are, generally, taken equally. Or at least, they are supposed to be. Different sects in the church have varying degrees of equality, so to speak. However, they are both part of the doctrine. To say that new replaces old is a sweeping generalization that cannot, and should not, be made, when discussing the Christian mythos.


  • Yeah, if I had more time, I’d do it. But even still, I think memes eliminate a large portion of the discussion and nuance that these contradictions require. It’s not as white or black, as I’ve seen folks make it out to be. I’m sorry you had a bumpy upbringing, in that regard. I did as well and went the complete opposite way. I delved into every religion and I love them all! Cheers!


  • Anytime! Like I said, it’s a passion/hobby of mine, so I like to delve into it. Religion is so fascinating and it’s cool how so many religions have emphasis on peace and love that gets distorted by humans. I’m saddened by some of the comments in the thread, as it’s a large indication of people who refuse to be curious and learn, and would rather stay ignorant. Cheers!


  • I’m surprised I didn’t see this comment earlier, but I’d like to respond, if I may. Jesus says, “I did not come to abolish the old law, but to fulfill it.”. We can take this at, relatively, face value and look at Jesus’ life and works and see it as a perfect representation of G-d’s plan.

    The abolishment of the old law is a “new” concept. It is formed from Paul’s letters and interpreting them in such a way that is self-referential. In that, modern theologians use it to justify itself. In the research community, this is a big no-no, as I’m sure you can understand. The old laws specifically, are so nuanced and historical based, that it’s a joy to research!

    E.g. Eating pork. This is something that is debated currently. Is the law there to prevent people from getting sick, as handling pork in those times was ripe for disease? (You would end up with more meat than you could eat quickly enough). Or was it for health reasons? But why then, was there so much pork eaten in the BCE?There’s so much interpretation that isn’t explicitly said, that it’s fun to delve into. This is also an example of contradiction, using historical analysis and anthropology research.


  • So, that comes from a Jewish tradition where G-d’s name should never be destroyed. I’ve subscribed to that theology myself, because I like it. If you’d like more information on my religious beliefs, it could be easily summed up as, I believe G-d is in everything. The air, our pencils, our food. He is all encompassing. I believe there is great truths in all religious texts and to dismiss any, is of great detriment to one’s personal spiritual journey. So, yeah. When referencing G-d’s name, I do not write it. But that’s just my own personal journey, no need to get hot about it lol


  • Haha, thanks for saying expertise! I would decline the compliment though. I minored in religious histories and actually was one credit away, but didn’t finish. Mostly because I was ready to be done with Electrical Engineering, my major. I regret that, now. So, in my humble opinion, the contradiction/discussion on whether G-d does evil is the most fascinating. Isaiah 45:7 depicts G-d as the creator of all, peace, chaos, light, and darkness. But multiple times, especially in the new testament which generally switches over to G-d being a god of mercy, depicts G-d as someone who does not do evil. Some theologians blame the council of Rome for the inaccuracies, but I think it’s more complicated than that, as the old testament is not without a merciful G-d.

    I think it might come from that, and I do feel like there’s something missing in the canon. There’s honestly so many missing texts, that it’s a shame. But I think G-d is in a superposition, almost. He is all, at the same time. However, this is just my personal explanation that comes with my own personal biases. This is just the example that came to mind, because it’s one that can’t be brushed off. Looking into the definition of the Hebrew words for light, darkness, chaos, peace, leads to discussion as to the actual meaning behind it. Is it allegorical? Is it definitionally exact? Who knows!

    But yeah, in a nutshell, that’s my favorite one and I like all the discussion by folks, much much smarter than me with Doctorates in the subject. I’m actually friends with a Doctor whose focus is on whether G-d does evil, so that might bias me again lol. But it really is so fascinating. As society, especially in the western Christian Church, G-d is thought of as this one dimensional character. But in reality, He is multidimensional, varied, and extremely complex. I hope this dump wasn’t too much. I highly recommend reading through some dissertations on any subject/contradictions you find, as it is incredibly complex and fascinating to read through.


  • I took a random sample. I chose five at random. Those samples were inaccurate. Therefore, I can conclude with certaintity, that the data set is mostly inaccurate. Which is not surprising given the large size of the set. When dealing with factual contridictions, you must examine the historical context, breadth of the text, and related text to the original in question. The Bible is not the only holy book in the Christian mythos.

    When dealing with all of these as a whole, you do find some rather interesting contradictions. Some that are hotly debated today in the church. But it’s not nearly to the scale of what the graph depicts. I’m perfectly fine discussing inaccuracies, contradictions, similarities to other mythos. Frankly, I love it. But I don’t like graphs like this because they’re often riddled with inaccuracies and immediately shut down all the incredible discussion these mythos from these sacred texts that people have written over thousands of years and have cared, died, and fought over. It’s rather dismissive and haughty, and I don’t care for it; in a data based forum.

    Edit: minor grammatical errors. Changed comma to period.


  • waddle_dee@lemmy.worldtoData is Beautiful@mander.xyzContradictions in the Bible
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    So, I have a background in religious history and texts, I took five random contradictions and checked them out, just for fun. Every single one of those either, missed the context from neighboring passages, or missed the point completely. I’m not here to say that there are no contradictions in the Bible, but the work here is shoddy at best.