Will people here use/try Meta’s #threads when available? Would love to know the reasons or if it would be just for fun/curiosity.
The amount of data collected is insane imo.
Definitely not. I didn’t come to the Fediverse to be under social media companies again.
Almost same take here - but I also understand that there may be some people which would use/try it for whatever reasons.
They can try all day. I will not. Mastodon it is for me.
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The amount of data collected is so insane that it won’t come out in the EU for now. And I like it that way.
Now these are news for me, thanks for the info.
Yup. Not going to be available so it’s an easy decision for now
It doesn’t have to come to EU to get this data though, all it has to do is start federating. I’m really curious how is that all going to work out, legally speaking.
Not totally true, the real value is combining data from different sources, but since the data they get wont have your email /ip/device/contacts etc it will be a lot harder to harvest usefully for advertising. Maybe they will figure out things to use it, but what they can use is already quite public, so they don’t really need to federatie for that
I stay the fuck away from anything Meta/Facebook, so absolutely not.
I wish more people would adopt this approach.
I don’t know anything about the number of users they’re expecting to have with this, but I’ll be very surprised if it’s a significant number. I just don’t get why anyone would want to join it, not only for what it is, but also for the whole facebook/meta nonsense. But I suppose some folks still actively and frequently use Facebook, so what do I know!
Everything I don’t like about twitter combined with everything I don’t like about Facebook? hard pass.
Thanks to @m0bi13 who posted this breakdown for context :
Data collected by #threads:
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Health & Fitness
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Financial info
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Contact info
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User content
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Browsing History
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Usage Data
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Diagnostics
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Purchases
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Location
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Contacts
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Search history
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Identifiers
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Sensitive Info
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Other Data
Oh fuck no. The very first line is basically a HIPAA violation. It gets worse from there. We require less disclosure from Supreme Court Justices and Presidential nominees.
This is a trainwreck waiting to happen - even if Facebook itself doesn’t abuse this level of power, you know that bad actors within the organization will. And once the information is collected, you know that tyrannical governments all over the world will be falling over themselves to get access to the data. This is a stalker’s wetdream, an Orwellian orgasm of truly grotesque proportions.
Keep the Fediverse from Zucking. Just say no to Threads.
It’s not a HIPPA violation. That law doesn’t apply to companies like Meta beacause they do not fit the definition of an entity that the law was written towards. This is just people freely giving away their personal health information and nothing more. From your own link:
The HIPAA Privacy Rule establishes national standards to protect individuals’ medical records and other individually identifiable health information (collectively defined as “protected health information”) and applies to health plans, health care clearinghouses, and those health care providers that conduct certain health care transactions electronically.
an Orwellian orgasm of truly grotesque proportions.
Loved this. Is it still hyperbole if it is the best way to reflect the obscene abuse they are trying to pull off?
I think i will shamelessly start using it myself!
Lmao Zucking. Never heard that one before lol
I’m all for the outrage, but what did people expect? It’s the same amount of information already collected through the Facebook and Instagram apps, it’s nothing really new.
ETA: just to be extremely clear, that’s a bad thing.
Ok and how is this worse than what Facebook already does? Or TikTok? Or Instagram?
You list all these things as if this new platform is going to be the first and only thing to harvest all your personal data. Like it’s shocking and new and so much worse
How is it worse? It’s the same bullshit. If you already have Facebook, and most do unfortunately, they are already doing that. And I would bet TikTok takes this much and more and has worse actors.
It’s worth nothing because it’s trying to come here, hungry, grasping, looking to wriggle its tentacles into our federated spaces and suck as much content and data and joy out of us as possible. This is a coordinated corporate effort, with the backing of millions of dollars, to bring centralized control to federated spaces. Their play is that once those spaces become reliant on the traffic that Facebook brings, they’ll acquiesce to the weight of the corporate presence, particularly when it comes to developing new features or engaging data security.
Big tech companies do this all the time with promising new open source projects, gaining control of them in the growth phase through their support and audience, and then throwing their weight around once their presence becomes a necessity. Plus, its very likely that the federated nature of instances means that if you post content on your instance of choice, it will end up on Facebook if federated with them. Right now, if you want to avoid the Zuckening, you can do so by not having Facebook, Insta, Tinder, or any of the services that motherzucker runs. If #threads becomes a thing the Fediverse relies on, you can bet your bottom dollar it will zuck the life out of the place if it can’t directly control it.
“Yeah smoking is bad for you, but we’re already doing it so what’s the problem?”
@bathrobe I don’t know about tiktok, but I think that it is the same data that Facebook collects. And the worst is what we have at the end, “Other Data”. That means, each moment Meta can decide to collect yet more things without to inform the user.
It’s worse because a large portion of people here are the people who don’t use Facebook/instagram/tiktok. So while this isn’t a new extreme in terms of privacy breaches, it is a new level in terms of what’s potentially affecting us directly.
I agree tiktak and so are probably the same or worse. But this doesn’t mean that it is fine that the new app does it.
You know, that every post or comment you make on lemmy/kbin can be sent to every federated instance and stored (collected) there? And those comments/posts may contain any of the information from the list, especially when aggregated from different sources and with all the basic meta-data available.
A company as big as meta needs to explicitly state that or they will have serious legal problems.
Of course, we know that Meta will want to abuse that data to monetize as much of it as possible and they have means to do so. On the other hand rogue federated instances could also abuse our data. That is the cost of being open. Company providing closed service can better protect our privacy, but we cannot trust them to do so (especially when the make money by processing and selling data).
I think those problems cannot be solved by technology – open or proprietary, but need to be solved by regulations and law enforcement. And at the same time the regulations should not block all data sharing, as then fediverse could not exist (now I wonder if lemmy/kbin can even be ‘legal’ according to GDPR, but IANAL). Tough problem.
@Arotrios Why would I want an inferior version of mastadon? But seriously I will likely only end up with one if they auto generate it. (a few family use ig and fb as their only communication so it’s checked occasionally via web with adblockers etc…ugh).
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not a fucking chance
Nope. This company is on my blacklist and I won’t try anything they make.
No webpage + only phone app interaction = NO, THANK YOU.
My brother in Christ, you’re asking people on Lemmy if they’re going to try meta spyware
Let’s see…
- I despise Facebook/Meta.
- I don’t want to help Mark Zuckerberg get more money.
- I was never fond of Twitter, either - an interesting concept, poorly executed.
- If I did want a Twitter-ish post feed, there’s Mastodon.
So no, I won’t be trying out the Zuck’s attempt to eat the Muskrat’s lunch. Sounds like a gross spectacle no one asked for.
Nah, fuck that and fuck them
Exactly
They should call the instance “metastasis” cuz that company is fucking cancer.
People on Twitter are already trying it because Twitter has been shit.
Someone in my circle created their account and already deleted it. Their explanation was a FAQ screenshot for Threads saying that it doesn’t matter who you follow or who follows you, the algorithm will show or hide things from you based on what they think you will enjoy and there’s no way around it and you also can’t sort by new.
I mean, are companies really paying attention to user needs? Lol
I mean, are companies really paying attention to user needs? Lol
I often wonder if these are the result of some middle-manager just doing things to justify their job. Like website redesigns most of the time feel like someone needed to justify their job. It’s almost always worse than the old design. How can you take what you had and then “improve” it by making it worse?
I’ve stopped using LinkedIn because it keeps defaulting to Relevant instead of Recent, and Relevant apparently means posts from 2 weeks ago. But at least there you can manually set it to Recent every time.
A social medium where sorting by Recent is impossible will be a no-go.
My current issue with LinkedIn is that they’re trying so hard to force me to use their app on mobile.
The latest way is that they’re no longer allowing you to do the “easy apply” from mobile without their app.
I don’t want the damn app though. There’s no good reason to lock features that work fine on a desktop browser away from mobile users unless they install the app.
I mean, are companies really paying attention to user needs? Lol
Look, the user needs to see stuff that keeps them engaged. That keeps them coming back for more. Algos are designed to achieve exactly that. Your self chosen bubble of followings and interests may not be optimized for engagement and addiction.
No, the companies don’t pay attention to user needs, they pay attention to the bottom line.
Not a chance.
No! - I’m not a dumbfuck. Mark Zuckerberg once said people who trust him with their personal information are dumbfucks. I have never had an account on any of his platforms, and never will. If something I’m using integrated with his products I’d just stop using it. Just no!
Unfortunately, we’re kind of stuck with WhatsApp where I live but I Signal with the willing.
Otherwise, I avoid Facebook products like the plague.