• GodlessCommie@lemmy.world
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    8 months ago

    Democrats have done nothing to earn our votes, they are not entitled to them. Democrats have enabled every one of your bullet points. ‘Splitting the vote’ is liberal myth.

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      8 months ago

      Yeah because why let facts get in the way of your alternative reality, tankie. I’m a very lefty guy and not a fan of the Dems. But splitting votes is real and a real strategy. Say something when she doesn’t focus only on battleground states and her funding is all grass roots.

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      8 months ago

      Democrats have done nothing to earn our votes, they are not entitled to them

      Jill Stein and the Green Party have achieved literally nothing in their 22 years of existence.
      They haven’t elected anyone significant at any level of government, haven’t authored any significant legislation, and have done the bare minimum to shift political discourse. They also have to earn our votes, and so far they have done very little to earn mine.

      Even discounting the obvious statistical reality of the spoiler effect, is Jill Stein really the best candidate the Green Party has to offer? How on Earth can a party with so little to lose be so obviously out of fresh ideas already?

      Say what you will about the libertarian ideology, but at least I can give the Libertarian Party credit for putting a couple asses in seats at various levels of government. The Green Party, in comparison, has had no such success, and the fact that they’re going back to Jill Stein (a weak candidate who’s buddies with Putin and didn’t perform well) shows that they have very little intention of improving.

      ‘Splitting the vote’ is liberal myth.

      I’m sorry but you are absolutely delusional if you really believe this.

      Whether you like it or not, vote splitting and the spoiler effect are well-documented statistical realities based on the flaws of our current first-past-the-post voting systems. This is 100% a math problem, and it’s one that’s been written about a lot by many different people.

      If that bothers you (and it should) then I encourage you to read up on alternative, more democratic voting systems like Ranked-Choice (aka Instant Runoff) and STAR voting systems, which are generally more fair and far less susceptible to problems like spoiling and wasted votes.

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      8 months ago

      Don’t believe history, modern political theory, basic math, or your eyes, instead believe me! My area just managed to out a fascist through splitting the vote so it’s very actionable.

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      8 months ago

      this and the fact biden was so un-apologetically banking on homophobic, sexist and classicist issues until well after it became politically convenient to change is exactly why i stopped voting democrat and i love that i’ve been able to convince other who i have a relationship with to stop as well.

      thanks for saying