Here’s another example. Say a person makes pornographic photos and videos for their significant other, suppose that content gets leaked onto the internet and is uploaded to popular torrent sites without their permission. How is piracy of this sort of content not an invasion of privacy? How is piracy of this sort of content not unethical?
piracy is distributing copies of publicly available media.
Arguably software, films and music aren’t “publically available” in the sense that they’re only conditionally available to the public (ignoring piracy).
But okay, lets take the pornographic example. Say they occasionally sell nude photos to acquaintances too. Now the photos are in some sense “publicly available” in the sense that some people can buy them. Is it now suddenly okay to pirate this media? If so, then why?
accessing a private device and making copies of personal content inside is illegal and unethical.
Did you not read my very first example where I claimed almost exactly that. What have you been thinking I was talking about?
Feel free to clarify why? At what point does my example become what we’re talking about? Is it the number of people the content is sold for? Is it the amount of money the content is sold for? Enlighten me.
I don’t see why I need your permission? I feel like talking about when it is and isn’t ethical to reproduce data is appropriate in this sort of community.
In my example privacy invasion definitely occurs. If you disagree with that, then you should review what I initially said.
If the notion that when people don’t want to share things with you, you have an unqualified right to take those things, and that doing that is just inherently not damaging, then I think your position is unrealistic and incredibly self serving.
Do you have some point to make here besides claiming you’re just never doing anything wrong when it serves your interests?
Your point is wrong. My point is that you can’t always (ethically) just copy other peoples stuff, just like you can’t always just take things from people. My point is not that piracy is never justified. My point is not that you are personally doing something wrong by pirating things. My point is not that you can’t be justified in copying other peoples stuff sometimes without permission. My point is not that piracy or copying other peoples data and documents always causes harm.
Edit: When was pirating “publically available” software specifically ever central to my point?
The only response you’ve given is “that’s not harmful”, which is in no way an argument for why it isn’t. It’s not totally inconceivable that taking things, even data, without permission can be harmful and to claim otherwise seems willfully stupid and in this case self serving.
they would be wrong, taking something involves moving that thing from its original position to a new position. you need to touch or move the object somehow, without even talking about the fact that you would remove it from somebody else possession.
none of that happens when you download a copy of a movie or something. none.
The only response you’ve given is “that’s not harmful”, which is in no way an argument for why it isn’t. It’s not totally inconceivable that taking things, even data, without permission can be harmful and to claim otherwise seems willfully stupid and in this case self serving.
No privacy is being invaded so… no.
Nobody is hurt by that process. how could it be unethical?
Here’s another example. Say a person makes pornographic photos and videos for their significant other, suppose that content gets leaked onto the internet and is uploaded to popular torrent sites without their permission. How is piracy of this sort of content not an invasion of privacy? How is piracy of this sort of content not unethical?
wut??? nobody in their right mind downloads that stuff! that is NOT what we are talking about, we are talking about movies and games and music
you really made this up out of nowhere. nobody defends distribuiting private pictures of people… and BTW in that case is not piracy by definition…
I felt like it was pretty clear that I was not talking about things as small as pirating a couple movies and games from multimillion dollar companies?
Is it not piracy? Please clarify the difference to me?
piracy is distributing copies of publicly available media.
accessing a private device and making copies of personal content inside is illegal and unethical.
making a copy of Frozen is not.
Arguably software, films and music aren’t “publically available” in the sense that they’re only conditionally available to the public (ignoring piracy).
But okay, lets take the pornographic example. Say they occasionally sell nude photos to acquaintances too. Now the photos are in some sense “publicly available” in the sense that some people can buy them. Is it now suddenly okay to pirate this media? If so, then why?
Did you not read my very first example where I claimed almost exactly that. What have you been thinking I was talking about?
again, not what we were talking about.
Feel free to clarify why? At what point does my example become what we’re talking about? Is it the number of people the content is sold for? Is it the amount of money the content is sold for? Enlighten me.
i already did. you are choosing to not listen at this point.
I feel like I’ve been pretty clesr that this sort of example is not what I’m talking about…
than you are not talking about piracy and this is not the place for that discussion.
I don’t see why I need your permission? I feel like talking about when it is and isn’t ethical to reproduce data is appropriate in this sort of community.
its not piracy.
this is /c/piracy
you dont need my permission you are just making a fool of yourself by trying to call piracy what is not piracy again in /c/piracy
In my example privacy invasion definitely occurs. If you disagree with that, then you should review what I initially said.
If the notion that when people don’t want to share things with you, you have an unqualified right to take those things, and that doing that is just inherently not damaging, then I think your position is unrealistic and incredibly self serving.
Do you have some point to make here besides claiming you’re just never doing anything wrong when it serves your interests?
My point is nobody is hurt. So it’s not unethical.
No privacy is being violated by obtaining a copy of a publicly available software.
Your point is wrong. My point is that you can’t always (ethically) just copy other peoples stuff, just like you can’t always just take things from people. My point is not that piracy is never justified. My point is not that you are personally doing something wrong by pirating things. My point is not that you can’t be justified in copying other peoples stuff sometimes without permission. My point is not that piracy or copying other peoples data and documents always causes harm.
Edit: When was pirating “publically available” software specifically ever central to my point?
how? i mean you are just saying its wrong, you haven’t said anything or explained why.
The only response you’ve given is “that’s not harmful”, which is in no way an argument for why it isn’t. It’s not totally inconceivable that taking things, even data, without permission can be harmful and to claim otherwise seems willfully stupid and in this case self serving.
but you are not taking it :)
I feel like many people would disagree with you.
they would be wrong, taking something involves moving that thing from its original position to a new position. you need to touch or move the object somehow, without even talking about the fact that you would remove it from somebody else possession.
none of that happens when you download a copy of a movie or something. none.
The only response you’ve given is “that’s not harmful”, which is in no way an argument for why it isn’t. It’s not totally inconceivable that taking things, even data, without permission can be harmful and to claim otherwise seems willfully stupid and in this case self serving.