Saved you a click: Shift to the right and become more moderate

    • OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      4
      arrow-down
      19
      ·
      5 months ago

      If the Overton window is shifting based on how voters are voting…then yeah. If you want to be elected, you run to be the candidate who gets 50%+1 of the votes, that is how it works. If the voters shift right you have to shift right or you’ll lose.

      • Tremble@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        20
        ·
        5 months ago

        The voters are a lot further to the left than we realize. It is the donor class that is further to the right.

      • Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        16
        ·
        edit-2
        5 months ago

        Which is why nothing makes me feel less American than an election. It’s always a stark reminder of just how far out my politics are, and how I’ll never be ruled by a government I actually consent to be ruled by.

            • Dagwood222@lemm.ee
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              11
              arrow-down
              6
              ·
              5 months ago

              The Moral Majority remade the GOP in the 1970s and 1980s with a grassroots campaign. If the normal attendance at a local GOP clubhouse was twenty people, the MMs would show up with fifty. They started getting county clerks and sheriffs elected, and soon the Party realized they were dependent on Falwell and his church people.

              The Right works 24/7/365 while the Left acts like they are heroes if they vote at all.

              • Zaktor@sopuli.xyz
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                8
                ·
                5 months ago

                A lot of those people are literally getting paid to do their “grassroots” advocacy. It’s not because the average conservative voter is more dedicated or more passionate, it’s because their activists (and sometimes literal actors) have been funded by a variety of billionaires for decades.

                • Dagwood222@lemm.ee
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  2
                  ·
                  5 months ago

                  When the Unions were getting started the bosses paid to have strikebreakers bust heads.

              • Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                4
                arrow-down
                1
                ·
                5 months ago

                I doubt there are fifty people who agree with me in the entire country.

                I’m resigned to being miserable. Don’t do that. Don’t give me hope.

                • MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  ·
                  5 months ago

                  Sometimes hope is what we need to keep going in what looks like an insurmountable challenge. It’s simply a way to motivate people. Conservatives have used hope to motivate their base. Conservative voters are willing to show up because they have hope that they can change our society (in a negative way, for the record) using the political process. They have been wildly successful at that. We can harness the same resources and use it against them. Only we can theoretically do it better, because we have the most important thing: numbers.

                  It’s up to all of us to step up, show leadership ourselves, and grind this shit out. We have to fight the GOP, a good deal of Democratic Party leadership, and the media every single day. We have to work primary campaigns, push out moderates in the primaries, and remove every GOP member possible during general elections. And we have to do it for decades. It works. It has worked before. I don’t care if we’re motivated by hope, hate, or hunger. We just need to stay motivated.

                • Dagwood222@lemm.ee
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  5
                  arrow-down
                  4
                  ·
                  5 months ago

                  It took the GOP fifty years to kill Roe V. Wade. Like I said, they worked 24/7. If you think you’re the only person who thinks like you then you’re as egotistical as the guy who thinks everyone agrees with him

          • sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            2
            arrow-down
            2
            ·
            5 months ago

            Which is pretty much exactly why the Left loses all the time.

            Checks the Executive Branch and The Senate before scratching their head in puzzlement.

            • Dagwood222@lemm.ee
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              2
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              5 months ago

              It’s almost as if you’re ignoring the GOP obstruction. Also, most people wouldn’t call the Dems ‘Left.’ They are center Right at best.

      • Zaktor@sopuli.xyz
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        4
        ·
        5 months ago

        The voters didn’t shift to the right, at least not in any meaningfully quantifiable sense. Souzzi won a Biden +10 district by ~+8. Less, but pretty feasibly in the noise for a low turnout special election.

        • OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          5 months ago

          That is only measuring the midpoint of the electorate vs the candidate so it doesn’t actually tell us much. Theoretically the district could have gotten 30% more conservative and the candidate was 28% more conservative than Biden so he won by a similar amount.

          • Zaktor@sopuli.xyz
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            5 months ago

            If that’s the lengths you’re going to go to question objective measurement, then your claim the Overton window is shifting is even more unmeasurable bullshit. And for reference, this exact candidate won in 2020 by 12. Same situation, maybe a slight drift, but pretty solidly in the noise.

            • OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              5 months ago

              Again, that doesn’t preclude the candidate and the district moving together. But the question isn’t whether it happened in this case, it’s whether it WOULD be effective to run further to the right in a district that had shifted right, which is unquestionable. That takes zero “lengths,” it’s just whether or not you think voters vote for representatives who agree with them on issues.

  • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    23
    ·
    5 months ago

    Notice how eager they are to interpret any win as evidence that they must move to the right.

    When Beshear won in Kentucky, they didn’t move to the left because a progressive won.

  • mashbooq@infosec.pub
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    22
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    5 months ago

    extrapolating from a single win in one district a year from the general election; what could go wrong?

  • CaptainSpaceman@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    9
    arrow-down
    4
    ·
    edit-2
    5 months ago

    Same thing Biden started doing in 2020

    Not to say he was ever progressive or anything, hes just trying to sway nonTrump repubs

  • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    4
    arrow-down
    7
    ·
    5 months ago

    Just because one asshole was shown to be a huge liar and damaged his party’s reputation doesn’t mean anyone else is gonna change their vote.

    • Pup Biru@aussie.zone
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      7
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      5 months ago

      one asshole was shown to be a huge liar and damaged his party’s reputation sooooooo we’re… not…? talking about trump?