The poll, which was conducted from July 7 to July 9, found that 73 percent of Democratic voters “somewhat” or “strongly” approve of Harris as Biden’s replacement. In an earlier iteration of the same survey, conducted from July 3 to July 6, a 66 percent majority of Democrats approved of Harris as a replacement.

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    No, all they can do is stop donating. They cannot hold a gun to his head and control his actions.

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      That’s why you’re seeing a struggle within the party. It’s over, it’s been over, Biden just hasn’t accepted it yet.

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        Maybe, I don’t know. I was just shooting down that standard DNC conspiracy theory nonsense. “Donors deciding” is just a step away from “Jews run the world”, with the George Soros conspiracy theories being the step in the middle.

        Common sense dictates that money does not grant you mind control powers, however, just sway.

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          This is an incredibly bad position. Saying that donors decide is nothing like saying “Jews run the world”. It’s not a conspiracy theory, it is a recognition that campaign funds are integral to a presidential election. If Biden can’t bring in money then his campaign will fold.

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            I am not saying there is not a shitload of money in politics, it is true there is a ton of corporate money in our politics.

            However, does the money grant control? Yes or no?

            If I give you one billion dollars, you personally, could I then force you to do something you did not want to do? Murder a loved one perhaps? Or resign a presidency you’ve probably wanted your whole life?

            Think about specifics, not vague bullshit. Money does not grant control, people retain their free will. It can only help convince. Lobby. Sway. Influence. Not control.

            That’s the line between reality and conspiracy theory bullshit.

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              Money doesn’t give you control over people, it influences decisions.

              Why do we pay rent or mortgage? Do the landlords or banks control us, or influence us to pay? Why do cult leaders exists if adherents have “free will?” Are they controlled or manipulated?

              If money didn’t influence and control politics, we would have gun regulations, healthcare, and climate reform.

              It’s not a conspiracy theory.

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                There you go, trying to say control and influence are the same thing again, when they are two separate words with distinct meanings.

                Why do we really have the system we do? Because only a fraction of Americans are progressive, and far more prefer neo-liberalism for the illusion of freedom it gives. Most voters still consider “the economy” to be the most important issue to them, not any sort of progressive values.

                Now, part of this is due to corporate-controlled narratives, but it’s still us exercising our free will. You do not have to pay your landlord, you could trek out into the Alaskan wilderness with a backpack and a tent if you really wanted. Nobody would show up with a gun to stop you.

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                  I’m probably wrong.

                  But there is one small group of people in America with the power to push Joe Biden out of the race. Who are they? The major donors to the Democratic Party.

                  They’re the ones Biden is angry with.

                  On Monday morning, Biden called into MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” and railed against the big-ticket donors who have been pushing him to withdraw.

                  “I’m getting so frustrated with the elites … the elites of the party,” he said on the air. “I don’t care what the millionaires think.”

                  Bingo. It was the first time any modern president has admitted that the elites of the party are the millionaires (and billionaires) who fund it, which gives them extraordinary political power — perhaps enough to push Biden out of the race.

                  In truth, the Democratic Party is little more than a national fundraising machine, as is the GOP.

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                    Yes, that’s called influence, isn’t it, they are exerting pressure and trying to convince him, right? But he hasn’t withdrawn yet, has he? Because ultimately, the one that makes the decision, is him. And he will make it.

                    If the best you’ve got is some guy’s blog, you’re not doing well. Anyone can make a blog online, and they can put anything protected by the First Amendment on it. You can find a blog saying absolutely anything, and this is probably how you’ve become radicalized into somehow believing in mind control, instead of simply remembering what an Average Middle American sounds like, and how they get what they vote for, resulting after enough decades in our current highly flawed system.