• dubyakay@lemmy.ml
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      A government could be good. In theory:

      • one year terms for elected individuals in public offices
      • no second term
      • getting elected is a random draw (akin to jury duty) based on the individuals’ capabilities
      • authority limited in scope within city states

      I’m sure there’s other ideas regarding this.

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        getting elected is a random draw (akin to jury duty) based on the individuals’ capabilities

        Who asseses people’s capabilities in this system? As they are likely the most powerful people.

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        If you don’t change the economic system then you’ll just run into exactly the same problems as we already have. The one year term elected officials will be handed pre-written legislation by corporations, they’ll be heavily incentivized to pass it, if they don’t it’ll be a short turn around before the people with Capital can try again, and if they instead try to pass their own legislation that Capital doesn’t approve of it they’ll get the next person to undo it.

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        With 1 year and no second term they’re just gonna steal everything within their reach from day 1, so we need to balance it with:

        • all public servants live under full transparency, 24/7 body cams etc for years after, financial transparency for life
        • 2x to all prison sentences while serving
        • a well-oiled practice to jail everyone who ain’t a total saint

        Then, maybe.

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          It’d need to be a system that automates itself instead of needing surveillance. Something that simply disincentivizes corruption.

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      Some oppressors (indirectly, but essentially) started drawing lines one day and agreed that they would each get to farm the humans in their own territory.

      Control goes back further than just territories to tribes. The tribe identity is only later tied to specific locations. Tribes formed because pooling resources burdens and learning was more efficient than doing it all yourself. From there, the tribes expanded and joined together and eventually settled into one location. So I disagree that oppressors just decided one day.

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      This was the case before countries existed. The territories used to be limited to how far the human cattle could walk, be productive and walk back home in day.

      Freedom is only possible where the possibility of encountering other humans is negligible.

      Whenever humans aglomerate, non productive humans require handouts to live. If they do not receive then they die. If they don’t want to die, they will steal. If the other humans resist, there will be a struggle and whoever wins becomes the state.

      I think keeping population below 1 per square kilometer and spread out is the best solution to the state predation problem.

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        1 per square kilometer is physically impossible unless you plan on finding a way to kill 7.9 billion people.

        Earth has 146 million square kilometers of land.

        It’s a neat idea but I think “the largest genocide in the history of humanity” kinda outweighs your solution.

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        Whenever humans aglomerate, non productive humans require handouts to live. If they do not receive then they die. If they don’t want to die, they will steal.

        Yeah, we know, politicians.

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          You got it, the mediators between us and them. See Europe and their history with romas people, for what it looks like when this peace breaks down.

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      the cattle now tell themselves they don’t want to be free because their rancher told them about fictional wolves that conveniently exist everywhere past the imaginary line that serves as a fence.

      The Chinese who took over Hong Kong don’t seem very fictional.