• goldenlocks@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    1
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    7 months ago

    Name a single comparable document in all of US history.

    https://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_csa.asp LMAO you set yourself up for that one

    The real deranged take is to say that people like Biden will get Trump elected, when Biden is literally the only contender. Your solution? Vote for a non-contender who won’t even break a million votes.

    Biden and Trump are the weakest candidates we’ve seen in decades, if there is any time for a third party or independent to win its now. RFK reaching 20% is clear and obvious evidence of this.

    Your plan to take advantage of this? Vote for genocide Joe to ensure the wealthy maintain control the political system.

    • Depress_Mode@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      2
      ·
      edit-2
      7 months ago

      In what ways is the constitution and the 2025 Plan comparable? I want examples, but I know you won’t do that because you’re just an edgelord who doesn’t actually have anything intelligent to say. The 2025 Plan seeks to circumvent certain parts of the constitution, just so you know. Just like Stein is helping to weaken the position of the left, RFK is thankfully weakening the stance of the right. Trump would be in an even stronger position if he didn’t have so much competition on the right. RFK could be a real spoiler for Trump, especially considering he’s running as an independent and will appear alongside Trump on the ballot. Still no way RFK could win, though, which is why a vote for him would also be a vote wasted.

      • goldenlocks@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        1
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        7 months ago

        It was an actual path to fascism which is what you asked for. Stein is strengthening the position of the left, because the Democrats are not left. RFK pulling votes from the right is huge, and a big chance for an actual left party like the Greens to gain ground. RFK could actually win in my opinion because of how disliked the current duopoly is.

        • Depress_Mode@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          2
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          7 months ago

          Stein is strengthening the left, because the Democrats are not left.

          I don’t agree because I feel a far-right Trump presidency would be much worse for the actual left than a centrist neolib Biden presidency. There’s a lot riding on this; access to abortion, trans rights, environmental protections, restricting voter access, etc. I think that a Trump would probably even damage the left more than a miraculous Stein victory would help it.

          • goldenlocks@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            1
            arrow-down
            2
            ·
            edit-2
            7 months ago

            a far-right Trump presidency would be much worse for the actual left than a centrist neolib Biden presidency.

            Voting for a centrist neolib is the worst thing you can do for the left.

            There’s a lot riding on this; access to abortion, trans rights, environmental protections, restricting voter access

            Biden has been terrible on abortion by not getting roe v wade codified his whole career, terrible on environment just approved the willow pipeline, terrible on voting rights since hes a Dem and used undemocratic super delegates to win.

            • Depress_Mode@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              2
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              7 months ago

              And how exactly is a centrist leader worse than a far-right leader? That makes no sense. You’re cutting off your nose to spite your face. It’s like having the choice between being in an abusive relationship where they always tell you they’ll do better next time or being with someone who actually wants to murder you, and you choose the murderer because you’re tired of being manipulated. No one would fault you for being tired of that, but to say that the alternative is preferable is utterly absurd. Lay out for me why Trump would be better than Biden.

              Trump is far worse on all those issues. Do you want your life to be merely bad, or completely awful? It’s a shitty choice, but it does actually matter. Sometimes it might feel like the answer is “I don’t care anymore,” but I feel like you’re being careless with regard to the people who’s lives would be unmistakably worse under Trump than under Biden. Not even just here, but in Palestine, in Ukraine, in Armenia, in Tigray, in Rojava, etc.

              • goldenlocks@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                1
                arrow-down
                2
                ·
                7 months ago

                And how exactly is a centrist leader worse than a far-right leader? That makes no sense.

                Because you’re ensuring wealthy people control the political system by voting for them. Wealthy people win whether Trump or Biden is elected.

                So atleast you admit you’re in an abusive relationship, next step is to leave.

                • Depress_Mode@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  2
                  arrow-down
                  1
                  ·
                  7 months ago

                  Except you often can’t simply just leave an abusive relationship. You can say you’re leaving, but the dems will always be there as one of only two real options; there’s no escape. Just like I thought, you were just making wild, spiteful assertions without even any justification to back them up. The centrists are worse than the far-right because they’re both rich? And you expect to be taken seriously with logic like that? The right is even richer and openly hates you/actively works against you.

                  • goldenlocks@lemmy.world
                    link
                    fedilink
                    arrow-up
                    1
                    arrow-down
                    2
                    ·
                    7 months ago

                    there’s no escape.

                    Holy shit, you are truly a battered spouse. You can leave, vote for anyone else.