• CarrotBottom@lemmy.ml
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      10 months ago

      It wouldn’t exist at all if capitalism didn’t exist.

      People would just get cancer and die like they used to.

      Capitalism is the reason we (and you) have nice things.

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          Other economic systems aren’t exactly protective of the environment either though, so I don’t really get your point.

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            Other economic systems don’t incentivise companies to produce trash products that break quickly to keep the customer coming back, or to use non-recyclable materials because they cost 3 cents less.

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              Oh yes, they do. Corruption, unrealistic n-year plans and secrecy for example lead to defective products, poor quality and accidents. That’s exactly what happened in Chernobyl, and I don’t need to tell you how bad that was for the environment.

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                What happened at Chernobyl was the politicians refusing to listen to the scientists. They were performing an experiment that the designers of the plant told them was exceedingly dangerous, and blew up their reactor. At least they did it unintentionally, unlike the Army Corps of Engineers.

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                  And why did “the politicians” refuse not to listen to “the scientists”? Part of the answer is definitely due to unrealistic n-year plans.

                  Also, there were other factors at play such as secrecy around the danger of graphite-tipped control rods. The Soviets had discovered this danger already, but had kept it secret even from their nuclear engineers.

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              Which economic system, in your opinion, would produce the highest quality products? And you can use whatever definition of quality you like

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                The Six Nations managed to keep their economic system functioning without a hiccup for at least 15,000 to 25,000 years. That one seems to work.

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            10 months ago

            They dont do planned obsolecence either.

            See, people?..this is what the Temecommunications Act gets you.

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        Yes, no innovation has been done under any system but capitalism. /s Let’s forget about how totalitarian Russia was the first to space. Let’s forget about how much medicine was developed under the religious authoritarianism of ancient Arabia. Let’s forget about how much philosophy was conceived under feudalism.

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          Let’s totally forget that The Six Nations managed to maintain a cooperative collective of hundreds of thousands of people for at least 15,000-25,000 years with their environmental impact being quite literally the creation and tending of “The Garden of Eden.”

        • ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗ@lemm.ee
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          10 months ago

          arabic numbers bad.

          or is it because edison couldnt claim this to be an american invention aswell? just because america is full of thieves doesnt mean they invented shit.

          rockets…werner von braun

          lightbulb…lumiere

          computer …conrad zuse

          internet…tim

          i am sure americans have invented absolutely nothing and stolen absolutely everything.

          biontech is german, pfizer are the murican scumbags.

          tiktok&wechat… chinese

          are you still on meta or drugs?

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        10 months ago

        I’m sure leaving reddit was a good idea, but joining lemmy might not have been. People here are just delusional in their approach to reality.

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        10 months ago

        Did you really think these new vaccine will be affordable? Those nice things are for the rich.

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          Recently read the Mars trilogy by Kim Stanley Robinson, and in those books an anti aging “vaccine” is made and shared freely for the citizens of Mars, but on Earth where the rich and powerful still control everything, its used as an incentive to come and work for the most powerful companies, or if you have the money then you can buy it.

          I literally hope such a thing is never invented, imagine if the Musk’s, Trump’s, Bezos’, and Putin’s of the world lived for hundreds of years instead of finally fucking dying at 90-100 at most.

          Terrifying.

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        It wouldn’t exist at all if capitalism didn’t exist.

        Science doesn’t need capitalism to exist. Technology doesn’t need to be for-profit to be developed.