No actual US citizens and their children. BTW all it takes for them to call somebody a terrorist is to call them a terrorist.
Yes, pretty corrupt. They are still a government that follows laws
Apparently you haven’t been keeping up with the news
From your link: “By law, NSLs can request only non-content information, for example, transactional records and phone numbers dialed, but never the content of telephone calls or e-mails.”
That’s because they already have access to the content from the NSA.
Lol, this is a book which is widely discredited.
LOL it hasn’t.
If you do not see how these are not the same thing then we may as well move on.
If you don’t see how it’s the same thing thing we might as well move on. There are actual genocides happening in Gaza and Yemen but hey since the US is helping with those that’s OK I guess.
So a very high profile person who flagrantly broke the law in multiple jurisdictions has led to the US asking for extradition, which is a thing many countries will do, and is still here.
He only broke US laws and his house was raided.
Again though you seem to think this is perfectly fine so there is no need to go on.
Yes, pretty corrupt. They are still a government that follows laws
Apparently you haven’t been keeping up with the news
I have.
That’s because they already have access to the content from the NSA.
They don’t, at least not how you are suggesting they do.
LOL it hasn’t.
It has.
If you don’t see how it’s the same thing thing we might as well move on. There are actual genocides happening in Gaza and Yemen but hey since the US is helping with those that’s OK I guess.
When did I say they were ok?
He only broke US laws and his house was raided.
Copywrite infringement is illegal in most countries, including here.
Again though you seem to think this is perfectly fine so there is no need to go on.
When did I say it was? I don’t think he should be extradited, but I’m not worried about the Big Bad US Government coming after me.
No, you’re right, he is charged with criminal copyright infringement, money laundering, racketeering and wire fraud.
But you are worried about the big bad Chinese government coming after you.
More than the US, yes. Why? Because of the reasons I’ve outline elsewhere: the US, as bad as it is, still has some laws and balances it must navigate. The Chinese government has none, and has actively shown to track and detain both citizens and foreigners.
I have lived and worked in China, so I am absolutely certain there is a file on me somewhere (I had a nice chat with a “totallynota” member of the CCP at my a company over drinks one night when he offered that they keep an eye on every foreigner in the country.
No, you’re right, he is charged with criminal copyright infringement, money laundering, racketeering and wire fraud.
He wasn’t charged with anything in NZ.
More than the US, yes. Why? Because of the reasons I’ve outline elsewhere: the US, as bad as it is, still has some laws and balances it must navigate.
Do you think if China accused you of copyright infringement NZ police would raid your house?
I have lived and worked in China, so I am absolutely certain there is a file on me somewhere (I had a nice chat with a “totallynota” member of the CCP at my a company over drinks one night when he offered that they keep an eye on every foreigner in the country.
And you are convinced the NZ government would do the bidding of the Chinese if the Chinese government decided to come after you right?
But what he did is illegal here just as well as in the states. What is your point? Do you own a massive piracy platform? If not, it’s not really comparable to you or I is it?
Do you think if China accused you of copyright infringement NZ police would raid your house?
No, but they could potentially detain me if I travel through there if I regularly bad-mouth the regime.
I really don’t get you mate. Are you saying that the US, a country that actually has laws and is not a dictatorship, is worse than an actual dictatorship with a long history of abuse.
AND EVEN IF IT WAS, why does that fucking matter? I don’t have to love the US if I dislike China. I can avoid both if I want. Your whataboutism is pointless.
And you are convinced the NZ government would do the bidding of the Chinese if the Chinese government decided to come after you right?
No, but other countries can and will. I do not have to worry about the US disappearing me if I say bad things about Biden. There is a small, but measurable, risk that this can happen if I badmouth the CCP and then travel to certain countries. Once again, asking another authority to arrest a massive international criminal is not the same as disappearing normal everday people because they said a bad thing about Winnie the Pooh.
But what he did is illegal here just as well as in the states.
Was he charged here?
What is your point? Do you own a massive piracy platform? If not, it’s not really comparable to you or I is it?
Anybody could become a target by breaking a US law.
No, but they could potentially detain me if I travel through there if I regularly bad-mouth the regime.
I am not talking about that. Would the NZ police raid your house and arrest you if China accused you of a crime? We know they would if the USA accused you of a crime.
I really don’t get you mate. Are you saying that the US, a country that actually has laws and is not a dictatorship, is worse than an actual dictatorship with a long history of abuse.
Yes I am. Being a democracy has nothing to do with anything.
. I do not have to worry about the US disappearing me if I say bad things about Biden.
They could kill you with a drone strike.
There is a small, but measurable, risk that this can happen if I badmouth the CCP and then travel to certain countries.
The USA will kill you right here if they want.
Once again, asking another authority to arrest a massive international criminal is not the same as disappearing normal everday people because they said a bad thing about Winnie the Pooh.
LOL. You really drank a lot of right wing kool aid if you believe Kim Dotcom wa s a massive international criminal.
Sigh, look. You don’t seem to understand how extradition treaties work.
It’s very simple. Our two countries have a reciprocal extradition treaty. This means, if someone is a wanted criminal in our country, we can ask the US government to detain and deport this person so they can stand trial in our country. The same is true of the US. Whether or not he actually committed a crime HERE is irrelevant: He is a wanted criminal in the US, and they asked our government to detain and deport him. Note he is still in NZ.
I am not talking about that. Would the NZ police raid your house and arrest you if China accused you of a crime? We know they would if the USA accused you of a crime.
We don’t have an extradition treaty with China. We do with the US. This isn’t hard to understand.
Yes I am. Being a democracy has nothing to do with anything.
Are you suggesting that a country that has minorities in concentration camps, has waged cultural war on others, actively exploits poor nations, tracks and watches their entire population, domestically and abroad, locks up political opponents, disappears people critical to the government, detains foreign citizens and actively tries to subvert democracy in other countries is as bad as the US?
If you are you are either naive or an idiot. I can’t quite figure out which.
They could kill you with a drone strike.
Happens all the time does it? I must have missed all those drone strikes in NZ, the UK and the EU.
The USA will kill you right here if they want.
When has that ever happened here?
LOL. You really drank a lot of right wing kool aid if you believe Kim Dotcom wa s a massive international criminal.
Man you have wildly missed the mark here. I never said I think he deserves to be a criminal, only that he is. He IS a massive international criminal because he has, no matter how dumb they are, broken many international laws.
All this is such a stupid argument anyway, because EVEN IF the US is so much worse than China, MY POINT STILL STANDS. I am allowed to not want China to track me through my phone, even if I allow the US to do it (as you claim).
It’s very simple. Our two countries have a reciprocal extradition treaty.
Does an extradition treaty dictate that an armed raid take place?
Can China extradite me because I broke Chinese law?
If the answer to 2. is no then I have more to worry about the US than China.
We don’t have an extradition treaty with China. We do with the US. This isn’t hard to understand.
So what you saying is that I have nothing to worry about when it comes to China coming after me because I broke Chinese laws.
Are you suggesting that a country that has minorities in concentration camps, has waged cultural war on others, actively exploits poor nations, tracks and watches their entire population, domestically and abroad, locks up political opponents, disappears people critical to the government, detains foreign citizens and actively tries to subvert democracy in other countries is as bad as the US?
Oh that was a surprise. I was sure you were going to say “as bad as China” at the end of that.
Happens all the time does it?
yes it does.
I must have missed all those drone strikes in NZ, the UK and the EU.
They do what they call “extraordinary renditions” in those countries. The US agents break down your door, put a bag over your head and ship you off to some island to be tortured.
When has that ever happened here?
Hasn’t happened here yet that we know of. But it has happened in many other countries.
Man you have wildly missed the mark here. I never said I think he deserves to be a criminal, only that he is. He IS a massive international criminal because he has, no matter how dumb they are, broken many international laws.
No he is not a massive international criminal. No other nation has charges against him. But I get it you completely swallowed the right wing propaganda and think he is some sort of an international criminal mastermind who totally deserved to get raided.
All this is such a stupid argument anyway, because EVEN IF the US is so much worse than China, MY POINT STILL STANDS. I am allowed to not want China to track me through my phone, even if I allow the US to do it (as you claim).
You are allowed to do whatever you want no matter how racist or irrational it is. You are convinced the Chinese are going to get you, grab you and make you a prisoner or something and you believe the USA would never do anything like that to a NZ citizen despite the fact that the USA has done that and you told me we don’t have an extradition treaty with China.
I mean you sound like raving paranoid maniac.
I honestly have no idea what your problem is.
Right back at you. Why do you praise the USA so highly?
No actual US citizens and their children. BTW all it takes for them to call somebody a terrorist is to call them a terrorist.
Apparently you haven’t been keeping up with the news
That’s because they already have access to the content from the NSA.
LOL it hasn’t.
If you don’t see how it’s the same thing thing we might as well move on. There are actual genocides happening in Gaza and Yemen but hey since the US is helping with those that’s OK I guess.
He only broke US laws and his house was raided.
Again though you seem to think this is perfectly fine so there is no need to go on.
I have.
They don’t, at least not how you are suggesting they do.
It has.
When did I say they were ok?
Copywrite infringement is illegal in most countries, including here.
When did I say it was? I don’t think he should be extradited, but I’m not worried about the Big Bad US Government coming after me.
He wasn’t charged with copyright infringement.
But you are worried about the big bad Chinese government coming after you.
No, you’re right, he is charged with criminal copyright infringement, money laundering, racketeering and wire fraud.
More than the US, yes. Why? Because of the reasons I’ve outline elsewhere: the US, as bad as it is, still has some laws and balances it must navigate. The Chinese government has none, and has actively shown to track and detain both citizens and foreigners.
I have lived and worked in China, so I am absolutely certain there is a file on me somewhere (I had a nice chat with a “totallynota” member of the CCP at my a company over drinks one night when he offered that they keep an eye on every foreigner in the country.
I also refuse to support such a regime.
He wasn’t charged with anything in NZ.
Do you think if China accused you of copyright infringement NZ police would raid your house?
And you are convinced the NZ government would do the bidding of the Chinese if the Chinese government decided to come after you right?
But what he did is illegal here just as well as in the states. What is your point? Do you own a massive piracy platform? If not, it’s not really comparable to you or I is it?
No, but they could potentially detain me if I travel through there if I regularly bad-mouth the regime.
I really don’t get you mate. Are you saying that the US, a country that actually has laws and is not a dictatorship, is worse than an actual dictatorship with a long history of abuse.
AND EVEN IF IT WAS, why does that fucking matter? I don’t have to love the US if I dislike China. I can avoid both if I want. Your whataboutism is pointless.
No, but other countries can and will. I do not have to worry about the US disappearing me if I say bad things about Biden. There is a small, but measurable, risk that this can happen if I badmouth the CCP and then travel to certain countries. Once again, asking another authority to arrest a massive international criminal is not the same as disappearing normal everday people because they said a bad thing about Winnie the Pooh.
Was he charged here?
Anybody could become a target by breaking a US law.
I am not talking about that. Would the NZ police raid your house and arrest you if China accused you of a crime? We know they would if the USA accused you of a crime.
Yes I am. Being a democracy has nothing to do with anything.
They could kill you with a drone strike.
The USA will kill you right here if they want.
LOL. You really drank a lot of right wing kool aid if you believe Kim Dotcom wa s a massive international criminal.
Sigh, look. You don’t seem to understand how extradition treaties work.
It’s very simple. Our two countries have a reciprocal extradition treaty. This means, if someone is a wanted criminal in our country, we can ask the US government to detain and deport this person so they can stand trial in our country. The same is true of the US. Whether or not he actually committed a crime HERE is irrelevant: He is a wanted criminal in the US, and they asked our government to detain and deport him. Note he is still in NZ.
We don’t have an extradition treaty with China. We do with the US. This isn’t hard to understand.
Are you suggesting that a country that has minorities in concentration camps, has waged cultural war on others, actively exploits poor nations, tracks and watches their entire population, domestically and abroad, locks up political opponents, disappears people critical to the government, detains foreign citizens and actively tries to subvert democracy in other countries is as bad as the US?
If you are you are either naive or an idiot. I can’t quite figure out which.
Happens all the time does it? I must have missed all those drone strikes in NZ, the UK and the EU.
When has that ever happened here?
Man you have wildly missed the mark here. I never said I think he deserves to be a criminal, only that he is. He IS a massive international criminal because he has, no matter how dumb they are, broken many international laws.
All this is such a stupid argument anyway, because EVEN IF the US is so much worse than China, MY POINT STILL STANDS. I am allowed to not want China to track me through my phone, even if I allow the US to do it (as you claim).
I honestly have no idea what your problem is.
If the answer to 2. is no then I have more to worry about the US than China.
So what you saying is that I have nothing to worry about when it comes to China coming after me because I broke Chinese laws.
Oh that was a surprise. I was sure you were going to say “as bad as China” at the end of that.
yes it does.
They do what they call “extraordinary renditions” in those countries. The US agents break down your door, put a bag over your head and ship you off to some island to be tortured.
Hasn’t happened here yet that we know of. But it has happened in many other countries.
No he is not a massive international criminal. No other nation has charges against him. But I get it you completely swallowed the right wing propaganda and think he is some sort of an international criminal mastermind who totally deserved to get raided.
You are allowed to do whatever you want no matter how racist or irrational it is. You are convinced the Chinese are going to get you, grab you and make you a prisoner or something and you believe the USA would never do anything like that to a NZ citizen despite the fact that the USA has done that and you told me we don’t have an extradition treaty with China.
I mean you sound like raving paranoid maniac.
Right back at you. Why do you praise the USA so highly?