• partial_accumen@lemmy.world
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    27 days ago

    Say you won’t give tax money to foreign genocide. Should be a landslide victory after that.

    If that’s all it takes for a landslide, why hasn’t Trump said that? Could it be that it wouldn’t have the landslide effect you claim?

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      27 days ago

      Nobody voting for trump is holding out on him until he promises to stop sending money to israel is the huge, glaring, obvious, so simple that it’s embarrassing that I have to point it out difference.

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        27 days ago

        You’re saying a large group of voters is NOT voting for Harris, but would if she said these words. Yet if Trump says these words those same voters would NOT vote for him? Why would those voters NOT vote for Trump? This should be an easy answer for you, embarrassingly easy even.

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          27 days ago

          What? Most maga folks are super into what is happening re Israel/gaza

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              27 days ago

              Why would he say that to a base that doesn’t want to hear it? His base is cool with what’s happening in gaza

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                26 days ago

                I’m starting to realize partial_acumen is either an idiot or arguing in bad faith and I don’t know why I argued with them for so long.

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                  27 days ago

                  Everything I’ve said has been quite clear. Achieve your own conclusions.

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                    26 days ago

                    He’s trying to do a gotcha thing where he’s saying that the democrats will lose as much votes as they’ll gain, same as the republicans, if they take an anti genocide stance. Which is a moronic thing to say when democrats are also preemptively blaming leftists for a possible harris loss because they’re taking a hard stance on genocide and trying to pressure Harris to also take this stance. It’s extra mega dumb.

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          26 days ago

          Well you better tell that to every liberal who blames the left for not voting for Harris over the Gaza issue if she loses then.

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            26 days ago

            Well you better tell that to every liberal who blames the left for not voting for Harris over the Gaza issue if she loses then.

            If they want to sit on their hands and not vote for Harris, that is their choice and their right. I disagree with them. If it ushers in a victory for Trump, they will have done themselves (and the rest of us) more harm than any words I could say then.

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              26 days ago

              I just don’t think I’ll ever see eye to eye with someone who doesn’t think applying pressure to politicians to stop promoting genocide is the right thing to do. I just do not understand that lapse in morality and logic at all. I hope I never do.

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                26 days ago

                I just don’t think I’ll ever see eye to eye with someone who doesn’t think applying pressure to politicians to stop promoting genocide is the right thing to do.

                Keep applying pressure to Harris, but withholding a vote from her will mean much more violence against many more innocent people around the world when you help Trump win.

                I just do not understand that lapse in morality and logic at all.

                Withholding a Harris vote because you abhor violence is you embracing morality blind to logic that you want to stop violence.

                In life we don’t always get the chance to make the “best” choice and are left instead to make the “least worse”. This is one of those times.

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                  26 days ago

                  And how do you apply pressure to someone without withholding your vote exactly? Because you guys sure didn’t do the whole “Hold his feet to the fire” shit with Biden, so tell me what will be different this time.