To see the original discussion, you can see this thread: https://lemmy.ca/post/8488573

To open the post on your instance you can go to !lemmybewholesome@lemmy.world and see the recent top posts, or use an app/frontend/ browser extension (ex. !instance_assistant@lemmy.ca)

Alternatively, here is the screenshot from the post.

I also wanted to share this tip for how you can filter for Lemmy posts when searching:

  • Search using site:home_instance. So if I wanted to find recommended phones, I could go site:lemmy.ca recommended phones. Since every instance has its own collection of posts, you will be getting results from all over Lemmy. The limitation is that you won’t see content from instances that aren’t federated with yours, but you probably didn’t want to see that stuff anyway since you picked your instance for a reason. You can also put any instance into the search if you wanted different results.

Question to everyone, what does Lemmy need to make it easier for people to find content? What are the implications of the Fediverse on how people might find content in the future?

One thing is that people are more likely to get posts from the larger instances, likely because more people are linking to them and opening those links? Another thought was the common complaint about how our post links aren’t community specific. While I can search for posts using the method above, I can’t search within a specific community like I can with Reddit (ex. I can’t search site:lemmy.ca/c/Vancouver recommended restaurants

EDIT: The issues for it are here, looks like the devs are good with it now and someone just needs to implement it:

  • phoneymouse@lemmy.world
    English
    1361·
    8 months ago

    Reddit is talking about hiding Reddit from Google. I hope they do that because it will let Lemmy start to replace Reddit as the go to source for non-SEO, real-human answers.

    • Vub@lemmy.worldEnglish
      53·
      8 months ago

      Except each instance has its own URL meaning ranking for ANYTHING is extremely hard since each domain’s rank will always be weak in the sea of others. Each is even being penalised by the algorithm if there are duplicate content mirrored between different URLs. It’s the weakness of the fediverse if we are to follow how search engines have worked in the last decades. Maybe it will lead to new search engines (I hope so) but right now it is not going to work well to replace for example Reddit … or rank well in general at all.

      • Lionel@endlesstalk.orgEnglish
        21·
        8 months ago

        I wonder if there’s a way around this that we can create, instead of doing nothing or hoping google adapts.

        Like a dummy instance that catalogues everything on all instances (but also links to the original posts) for the purpose of showing up on google search.

        Since this instance isn’t for posting but for search engine indexing, there may be some otherwise undesirable micro-optimizations that can help improve its chances of showing up.

        • Amju Wolf@pawb.socialEnglish
          15·
          8 months ago

          Yes, this would be possible (and not too hard technically either). But all instances would have to agree to link this instance as canonical.

          You’d also want to add a feature where you can set you home instance where this canonical instance would redirect you (perhaps even automatically). Home Assistant does something like that.

          What pisses me most about Lemmy is that each instance has its own post IDs which means that crosslinking and switching instances based purely on URLs is impossible.

          IMO posts should have random GUIDs for IDs; that would help a ton with these kinds of issues. It’d then be trivial for Google to detect same content (if they wish) this way

            • Amju Wolf@pawb.socialEnglish
              1·
              8 months ago

              The point of random GUIDs is that there are so many that it’s effectively impossible to generate duplicates just by random chance. They’d be perfect for this.

              The initial instance picks it, and then the federated instances use it.

              • Otter@lemmy.caOPEnglish
                2·
                8 months ago

                This bot needs a “that was intentional, delete your comment” option

        • JohnWorks@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          3·
          8 months ago

          Would another option be like having every post have some kind of anchor of invisible text or something with “lemmy” so when I search for “best washing machine lemmy” it’ll show all posts across instances or something. Idk if that’s how SEO works entirely though.

      • Ullallulloo@civilloquy.comEnglish
        10·
        8 months ago

        Each post refers to the poster’s home domain as the canonical URL, regardless of which instance you’re viewing it on specifically to avoid duplication SEO concerns

        • Vub@lemmy.worldEnglish
          3·
          8 months ago

          Thanks, I didn’t know that and never bothered to look. But then you still have the (SEO) issue of all the domains vs one in the case of Reddit or Quora or Stack Overflow. But yeah, a few very large Lemmy instances will probably start to rank well once they have enough good content.

        • Amju Wolf@pawb.socialEnglish
          1·
          8 months ago

          Didn’t know that’s the case, that’s neat though it doesn’t solve the redirect back to your home instance.

          It’ll also probably lead to centralization because if you’re more likely to find a particular instance through search and decide to join Lemmy you’re probably going to do so on that instance.

    • emhl@feddit.deEnglish
      13·
      8 months ago

      If the Fediverse gets big enough search engines wil probably optimize for it e.g. prioritizing the instance of the community…

    • NickNak@lemmy.worldEnglish
      66·
      8 months ago

      One of the main reasons reddit mega turned to shit was due to far too many people joining and using it, granted this is due to mobile phones but is it really worth it to attract more and more people? These instances are run by average people not corps with money they can easily collapse under tuw burden of to many

      • jackalope@lemmy.mlEnglish
        133·
        8 months ago

        This anti user attitude is so lame. It’s some real hipster nonsense.

        • NickNak@lemmy.worldEnglish
          54·
          8 months ago

          It’s really not, when it’s been proven time and time again that more people doing something ruin that something it should become obvious that lots and lots of people is a detriment

          The reddit front page is a classic example of that, the general state of the internet proves it too, beaches/music festivles are both great examples too

          That’s not even thinking about the cost of everything and corporate meddling either

          • jackalope@lemmy.mlEnglish
            61·
            8 months ago

            It is so fascinating to me there are people out there who really mistake their own subjective experiences as iron objective truths. Just a complete lack of self awareness. It’s like how babies lack object permanence.

            Its been proven? Really. Do tell.

          • density@kbin.social
            31·
            8 months ago

            Yes like all the people using rice for food has totslly ruined rice

            Dont even get me started on indoor plumbing. Was so much better before it got popular.

      • TORFdot0@lemmy.worldEnglish
        7·
        8 months ago

        The cool thing about the fediverse is that if grows to much where and the moderation turns to crap on some instances, you can always defederate from those problem instances and avoid the trouble makers entirely. Instance admins can always turn off sign ups when they feel like they have reached their limits for moderation as well. And users can always self host their own instances and only let the people they trust sign up. The fediverse is more resilient than traditional corporate run social media

        • NickNak@lemmy.worldEnglish
          41·
          8 months ago

          Moderation is not the issue, the sheer cost to host the tremendous amount of data is very likely to be a reason an instance goes down, thats what I’m getting at

  • BabyWah@lemmy.world
    English
    71·
    8 months ago

    I use duckduckgo and lately have been adding Lemmy at the beginning (like I did Reddit) and it really works. Search results come back if there is a discussion going on about the topic.

    • Chozo@kbin.social
      13·
      8 months ago

      I’ve not tinkered around with it too much yet, but how has your experience been with actually viewing the results? I would imagine that most results are statically likely to be for an instance other than the one you have an account on, requiring a few extra steps to load the post in your home instance if you wanted to vote/comment on it.

      This is one of those UX things that I think is still holding Lemmy back from more mainstream adoption, imo.

      • BabyWah@lemmy.world
        English
        7·
        8 months ago

        It’s hit and miss most of the time. I just tried Lemmy memes and it redirects to lemmy.ml and the memes community.

        Then I tried Lemmy how do I wash my kitten and there was an answer. Again for Lemmy ml. I think it depends on whether there is a post answering the question and if people commented on it.

      • breakfastmtn@lemmy.caEnglish
        7·
        8 months ago

        You can make that a bit less painful with browser extensions. ‘Instance Assistant for Lemmy & kbin’, for example, will always show a button to open a page in your home server. Not sure if there’s anything exactly like it here yet but FediAct for Mastodon lets you like/boost/follow/comment on other servers directly, more or less eliminating the other-servers problem.

  • yukichigai@kbin.social
    681·
    8 months ago

    Swag. The more we show up in search, the more people will be asking “what the heck is Lemmy?” Some of 'em will join.

    Well then. Here. We. Go.

    • kratoz29@lemm.eeEnglish
      26·
      8 months ago

      I have been regularly sharing shit with friends that I see in Lemmy, and they always said to me why my links always have weird names and domains and shit… so I proceed to explain and we get to nowhere.

      Anyway this is people that weren’t even into Reddit, so that people are the harder to get, IMHO.

  • Crylos@lemmy.worldEnglish
    20·
    8 months ago

    This is neat… I just tried “faceting lemmy” and my community came up on top.

  • sarmale@lemmy.zipEnglish
    12·
    8 months ago

    I have a question, I have posted with my lemmy.zip acccount to a community hosted on feddit.ro, and when I search the title only lemmy.world appears, even tho i didnt post it there, any idea why?

    • Corgana@startrek.websiteEnglish
      15·
      8 months ago

      Every instance stores what are essentially copies of everything it’s users are subscribed to. So when you post “to” feddit.ro, you’re posting to the copy on lemmy.zip. Similarly, Lemmy.world has their own copy (that for whatever reason is ranking higher in search) because someone there is presumeably subscribed to the community.

    • Otter@lemmy.caOPEnglish
      7·
      8 months ago

      Adding a bit more to the other comments

      The post should exist on all 3 instances (as well as any other instance federated with feddit.ro). However lemmy.world is bigger and so more people are likely linking to /from that instance, which mean Google is indexing it with higher priority.

      The other instances should probably show up over time?

      • Teppic@kbin.social
        3·
        8 months ago

        Hello from kbin… (federated here too)
        But this poses an interesting dilemma for Google, potentially to top 100 results could end up just being the same post observed on many Lemmy and kbin instances.

        • Otter@lemmy.caOPEnglish
          2·
          8 months ago

          I think Google tries to prevent that, which is interesting because I don’t know how that will work

  • Habahnow@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    8·
    8 months ago

    That’s cool. I seem to have issues finding this post, or the top post of the day (https://sh.itjust.works/post/8365139) by searching: site:sh.itjust.works After watching the 2nd episode of 11th season of Futurama And I’m not getting the correct result. Am I doing it right, but there’s something else affecting the results (top of day for lemmy isn’t as popular as needed to show up on google, bing, nor DDG)? or am I making a mistake somewhere?

    • Otter@lemmy.caOPEnglish
      6·
      8 months ago

      I don’t think the instance is the issue like the other comment is suggesting (although I don’t quite understand the specifics of how it works). I’m playing around with it myself right now

      If I search site:sh.itjust.works Hello and set it to 24 hours, I do see posts. So timing should be ok too

      Update: So I think what’s happening is that the post needs to go through a few stages when it’s on a different instance

      1. Someone posts on a foreign instance (https://foreign.example.com/post/123444
      2. Someone on your instance views the post, which generates a link on your instance for that post (ex. https://example.com/post/135799)
      3. Google indexes your home instance and grabs that post

      So we’re probably between steps 2 and 3 right now?

    • Otter@lemmy.caOPEnglish
      4·
      8 months ago

      Looks like it’s appearing now! Just needed some time I guess