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The real question is : Why did you invite anyone over, before having a guest VLAN set up ? Classic beginner mistake.
I have two seperate guest VLANs, one for my family, and one for the people I love.
Whatever happened to just talking to each other? I’m glued to my devices all day every day, yet even I ignore the phone during holiday family gatherings.
Nobody’s forcing you to go; if you prefer be on the internet rather than interacting with your family, please just stay home.
Edit: Downvotes be damned, I stand by what I said. If this asocial shut-in who hasn’t had a friend since 2014 (because people annoy me) can come out of my shell a few times a year, and spend some time with the people I grew up, so can you. No excuses.
One day they will all be dead or estranged, and you will regret not looking up from your phone for two hours to spend quality time with them when they were alive and in your life, as you die alone in your nursing home (assuming you’re rich enough to afford assisted living, that is). Don’t say you aren’t warned.
Most people feel obligated to at least pretend they like their family.
Don’t worry, you’ll eventually get over your feelings of obligations towards others before you reach 40. Life becomes a lot less stressful once you stop giving a fuck about being a people-pleaser.
For me, i felt like that also when I was 35. I didnt want my family to be in my life since I didnt feel good around them.
Now at 50, I have again connected to some of them. Because you get back to those feelings that life is not endless and you start to think about that you will one day not be here anymore. And its nicer if that happens when you have made peace with at least some of those people.
Tldr, age made me think different at different stages. Maybe it happens for others as well. :)
Sounds like the network people at my company. They are asking us to spend more time in the office, but they don’t provide enough desks, they don’t provide working wired LAN and they only provide semi-working Wifi. All with proxies that don’t work and filters that don’t let me access the webapp I am supposed to maintain, which is blocked for “being a commercial website”. Thanks, I know, I have to program that crap.
Guys a madman, didn’t even ask for a ticket.
Allowing children on roblox is negligence at this point so I think this is unironically in the right
Deleting Roblox and installing Factorio
You’ll thank me when you’re older, kid.
Paying for Factorio and letting their engineering career pay for your retirement home is way cheaper than saving for retirement!
Older? Poor kid might forget to eat or drink water if you get him hooked on Factorio
In my generation, we lived on Mountain Dew and Cheetos, and look at the Sim Cities we built.
Look on my works Sim Mayor and
The factory must grow.
“Why is my child applying to Nestle’s child mines”
The American use “ironically” is probably the only difference between our dialects that I’ll stand firm on.
My friends, we already have a use for the word, and it’s not this!
I’m all about linguistic innovation, but using “unironically” in place of “seriously” and “ironically” in place of “sarcastically”/”not seriously" is not happy times for me.
Unless you give me a new word for irony.
I quite like y’all, I use that all the time, not against Americanisms in general, just this one.
To me, the original post was riddled with “verbal” irony - they were saying things whose words meant one thing but the overall post was actually making fun of the ideas the words were presenting.
My comment serves to state that I agree with the point the words are making and not the meaning through the lens of irony. Ie, unironically.
Cambridge dictionary 2nd definition of irony
irony noun [U] (TYPE OF SPEECH) the use of words that are the opposite of what you mean, as a way of being funny
I respect the pushback though. I have similar gripes with “sarcasm” being used when “irony” is correct and vice versa.
I don’t think I’ve ever heard sarcasm used when irony is appropriate. Because “ironically” seems to be taking over (for Americans, not in Australia)
“That’s so sarcastic” referring to irony isn’t a thing. Or at least, I’ve neve heard it.
“the use of words that are the opposite of what you mean” bad Cambridge, bad! That’s sarcasm.
Could be my cultural context, and my bias because I constantly hear Americans misusing ‘ironic’.
Don’t use it differently without providing a replacement please and thank you!
Wikipedia gets it right: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony “Irony is a juxtaposition of what, on the surface, appears to be the case with what is actually or expected to be the case”
Guess we’ll have to agree to disagree - I agree that there are people misusing the words ironic/unironic, I don’t think this case is one of them. Have a good one!
hey don’t blame us, we learned it from the brits
Oh interesting, I hadn’t noticed that!
yeah playing with the three types of irony was extremely popular in early 1700s britlit. early american lit tried to distinguish itself from britlit by focusing less on irony and more on allegory and symbolism. however by the late 1800s american lit came to emphasize irony almost as hard as the previous century’s britlit had, though i think our only author to really do as much verbal irony (saying one thing, meaning another) as that era of britlit was F Scott Fitzgerald in the 1920s.
i’m curious now how Australian literature plays with irony. if there’s an absence of verbal irony, is there more literary irony (the consequences of the action are tied comically to the action) and dramatic irony (the audience knows things the characters don’t)? and did the divergence happen because our war of independence resulted in the brits no longer using our southern colonies as a penal colony just as they were getting bored of this?
or were early Australians more likely to reject this device because they felt it was a signifier of their oppressors?
My understanding, from how people use it here is that irony is a situation which is a contrast between the expected/intended and actual outcome.
It’s ironic when a fire station burns down
This definition is truly upsetting: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irony
Americans, no. Bad Americans.
This definition is correct (until we come up with a good substitute, FFS America): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony
Glad Wikipedia agrees with me on this one haha We’ll at least the introductory definition.
Edit: to answer your question. I dunno. I just think this form of “ironic” just didn’t take off in Australia.
Mostly because we already have words for what Americans use it for. And don’t have words to replace irony.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Hi, American checking in. I was taught in English class in high school that irony is an ambulance running people over, not just sarcasm. I do agree that colloquially (and I am probably guilty of it too) we Americans use the word “irony” to talk about things being presented in a non-genuine and earnest manner, to talk about sarcasm and snark and parody.
I was taught in English class in high school that irony is an ambulance running people over, not just sarcasm
This is a relief, there is hope yet haha
I refuse to allow my own child on it. It takes zero effort to see all the super shady shit happening there. I wont have my child exposed to that crap.
My sister-in-law let her 10 year old daughter play it with zero supervision. When we found out we told her she should be watching what her daughter’s doing so she went in to check and found the kid talking to some grown man from Azerbaijan.
I played Roblox with my kids for years and didn’t find any shady shit. Not saying there is no shady stuff on there, but after 100s of hours either it’s suddenly gotten worse, we somehow dodged all the shady shit or the media have exaggerated the issue. Take your pick.
I played with my kids because they desperately wanted to join in on the fun but the reports of it being pedo land made me create a rule of “you only play when we play together”. We had great fun, have many fond memories of our time on there.
This kind of reads like a catholic who brought their kids to mass their whole childhood and disbelieves that catholic priests are child molestors because they never molested your child. They don’t prey on children with present caring parents who don’t leave their children unsupervised. They prey on solitary, neglected, vulnerable children, or for catholics those who are willing to trust a priest alone with them. In roblox it’s the same but without the implicit trust of an authority figure. The pedos probably avoided you. You didn’t somehow dodge the shady shit, you inadvertently created a bubble of safety that prevented your kids from being preyed upon because there’s so much easier prey around.
That’s an odd way to twist it. I must have had “parent” tagged to my avatar so to avoid the nasties.
You definitely dodged the shady shit with that rule. Not just pedo land either, also the illegal child labor.
When my kids were younger I treated the internet like a large room full of strangers of all kinds good and bad. I wouldn’t let my 8yr old wonder around on her own there so why would I on social media or multiplayer games.
What’s this fool doing blocking only ports 80 and 443?
I’ve only ever met two types of IT professional. Either:
- Their home network is immaculate and smooth as butter. It connects quickly and integrates with everything. They can manage it all from their phone, but they don’t have to because it’s all automated. Their server room (a) exists and (b) is cable managed. There’s a wireless access point and connected smart speaker in every room, including the garage and the back patio, but they’re carefully located for maximum sound coverage and to prevent signal interference. Their home theater is substantially better than a movie theater, and their media server is packed to the gills with content. Network security is hardened, with bespoke subnets for every user and tunneling for the media server and smart home functions. You feel a sense of calm and ease when connected to their network. “Everything I do at work, I try out at home first.”
Or:
- Their “home network” is a single Belkin router from 2011. They’ve had it since college, and it takes 9 minutes to reboot (which they have to do daily). It doesn’t even have Tomato on it and still uses the default password. They still watch OTA TV and Blu-Rays, so the wifi is exclusively connected to the smart switch that their tea kettle is plugged into so they can start their hot water before they come downstairs. You feel guilty even asking for the wifi password. “Why would I do any network stuff here? I do IT all day at work, the last thing I want to do is even touch a Cat5 cable at home.”
I’m in the middle. At work, I play it fairly conservative, applying well established solutions to well-known problems.
I have friends whom I advise and assist with their networks that absolutely fall into the first category.
MY network is is like the lab of a mad scientist, everything tinkered with right up to the edge of breaking. My home router collapses multiple times a year due to the wonky chaos I ask it to do. Home automaton sequences that are more complex than most rube goldberg machines. Metaphorical sharp edges and loose clutter everywhere, but an unholy abomination that works better than it has any right to - until I scrap it all to rebuild it from scratch next week.
I spent way more time than I care to think about figuring out how to get my porch lights to come on at 7am and turn off 10 minutes before sunrise without breaking when sunrise happened before 7am. I tried some serious Rube Goldberg nonsense in multiple iterations, until finally I decided to just add another “turn off the lights” at 9am every day. Most of the time it doesn’t do anything because the lights are already off, but on DST day it accomplishes my goal of making sure they don’t run all day, since 9am is always after sunrise.
What does a tomato have to do with a router?
“tomato” is an open-source router firmware package. You can use it to access settings that the manufacturer intentionally hides away, or to set up features like UPnP more easily. Some versions even enable features like a built-in NAS (just bring your own drives), networked printer support, or running a publicly-facing website on your router.
Along with packages like DD-WRT, it’s a pretty common modification for a lot of tech-savvy users to make.
Though, to be honest, I’m not entirely certain that a 2011 Belkin router would be compatible with Tomato (probably?).
The guy she tells you not to worry about VS you.
I’m in the meme. In the shitty paragraph.
Isn’t this basically just rich IT guy vs poor IT guy?
No, it’s 'my life is IT and i never stop working" guy, and “IT is just my job” guy.
I just order a new router on Black Friday to replace my 10 year old one. I also only console game now because PC gaming is too much of a headache. I spend my money on outdoor gear and pets, not technology. My new router is $90 bucks. I can’t fathom why I’d ever need a wifi 7 quad band router with 9Gbps of throughput for a home network, other than pure bragging rights. All my devices are like 5-10 years old and barely support wifi 6 anyway.
A couple of my co-workers are the former. They will be doing penetration testing at 2am form their home lab in the morning because they their default mode is work work work. If i’m up at 2 am i’m watching TV and snacking.
I monitor security updates, but my co-workers like get excited and ramble on anytime a new patch/attack is documented. I don’t get it. They revel in doing updates and rebuilding their VMs fresh every few weeks, I groan and clone.
Nah, I could afford nice shit but I’m still using a ubiquity edge router 8 from 10 years ago.
There is probably something to be said that there is an in between to those two extremes. The “my network is made of a Hodgepodge of shit my employer threw out that still seems to work and brand new things I replaced because I had to”
My first draft of this did mention that there was a version of the second type of IT guy who cobbled everything together with workplace castoffs and conference swag, but I couldn’t figure out how to make it work without just being over-wordy.
I want to be the first, but I am definitely closer to the second. I’m trying to find a reasonable middle ground.
Like, I want to have a nice home network with a proper NAS, Pihole DNS, Plex/Emby/Jellyfin media server, all my music properly tagged, little mediaplayer/emulation/game streaming endpoint boxes on each TV, etc. But I don’t have the time or money to do it right at the moment.
So I have my desktop set up to share out my media folders as SMB shares when it’s powered on, and I’ve used a few tools to get my video content organized right for Kodi. I’ve got Kodi installed as an app on the Xbox Series X plugged into the family room TV. The other TV has a Chromecast dongle with VLC sideloaded and set up to connect to the SMB shares, because I’m too lazy to get my Kodi setup on it. Every room in the house has an ethernet port, and most rooms have a dumb switch so as much hardware can have ethernet connection as possible. I’ve run my music collection through MusicBrainz Picard, and separated it into a properly tagged and organized folder, and one for stuff that isn’t.
I used to be the first, but because of a shitty landlord I was forced to move, and I only had 30 days to find a place. I bought a house because no one would rent to me with a large dog and she’s been with us for 10 years now.’my homelab is sitting disassembled in the basement with nowhere to even plug it in, because in order to get an outlet wired I’d have to replace my entire breaker box which is probably hanging on by a thread. I’m too house poor to even consider getting the work done over paying the bills I need to and providing my kid with food and clothing.
The place is nice enough and my family lives well, but I was the first guy and now I have to be the second guy for who knows how long.
In other words; fuck landlords
“Everything I do at work, I try out at home first.”
Absolutely no fucking way! And anything that touches work is isolated, their opsec sucks so much they didn’t even realized they mandate “security solutions” with known backdoors.
I think it means they setup new tech on their homelab to learn how everything works and how to break it. Then when a problem arises where one of these solutions is needed at work, you can implement it without any large issues. It makes sense if your hobby is close to or adjacent your day job, and you are on Salary, and your boss treats you right.
Yes, I’m not doing almost any of the things we do at work in my network.
I’m absolutely not running the same software. I’m not organizing the information the same way. I’m not using the same infrastructure abstraction, and even less configuring it in any similar way. I’m not writing the same languages.
The work environment is dictated by consensus between many people, with varying expertise, and weighted by how much work one is willing to put into each aspect of it. Each of those parts lead to bad tech, even though they lead to good people organization.
You are telling me that you can’t proof of concept something without a matching tech stack? Or learn exactly how a new tech works? It also sounds like you should never give your work any of your personal time, you won’t gain anything except for more work.
Guest vlan? Smart.
Blocking 80/443 knowing all to well everything depends on those: evil.
Throttling to 56k: the original original poster just being a dick.
Took 45 minutes: Maybe find another job. You’re not good at it.
Conclusion: The sister was right. Evil incompetent dick.
I have a feeling this is satire, and I’m usually the type of person to miss the joke and think it’s genuine
Took 45 minutes: Maybe find another job. You’re not good at it.
Bit harsh.
The OpenWRT guest wifi guide isn’t a simple switch like you would get on your OEM router, but involves manually setting up a bridge device, a new firewall zone, and a new AP on one of your radios.
This can take some time if you want to do things the right way. 10 minutes to setup with no extra config steps. Add another 10 if you need to move around your firewall rules, and another 20 for random debugging.
https://openwrt.org/docs/guide-user/network/wifi/guestwifi/configuration_webinterface
Although, you set it up once. After that it’s just a checkbox.
We’re missing the most important rule here. Did the nephew open a ticket?
Kid should be learning social skills at a family party.
As a former kid struggling with social skills, I think that would’ve done me some good. It’s easy and convenient to fall into avoidance behaviour, but overcoddling did me no favours.
I was told overcoddling reduces resiliency. Parents always coming in to fix things without letting their kids try to solve it on their own. The kid may fail but the act of trying and figuring out why it failed helps greatly. Most parents just “don’t want to see their kids upset” though.
Take it with a grain of salt, as I don’t have any kids.
The balance to be struck is the golden zone between overcoddling and undersupporting. Kids need help getting “close enough” to figure out the rest on their own, gradually less so as their abilities expand.
In some ways, I was coddled and never learned how to do stuff. In others, I was neglected and had no idea where to begin to solve things, so I just didn’t. Neither is great.
as I don’t have any kids.
You don’t need to have kids to engage with the topic of how best to deal with them. It’s a valuable skill to have when dealing with children, whether your own or someone else’s. In fact, some parents probably should have engaged with the topic more before they squeezed one out. That shit is complicated and I wouldn’t want to just figure it out on the fly.
“Are you nuts kid? We don’t use wifi around here. I unsoldered the antennas of my router, just in case.”
Fake! The AP is separate from the router!
Imagine having a router with an AP built in. We don’t use that consumer tier stuff around here. 😎
“Oh, your iPad hasn’t got an LC duplex OFC port? That’s too bad, scrub.”
hands nephew some bits of fiber optic cable and an SFP
Figure it out, kid
I feel like when ‘Zero Trust’ first became a thing, the theme was ‘you should have every endpoint under your control hardened so it need not feer untrusted peers being able to connect’. E.g. if you think you absolutely need VPN to a ‘private network’ for security, then you are failing to be hardened in a ‘zero trust’ way, because you implicitly fear that your systems would fall to untrusted peers.
I feel like it’s evolved to ‘don’t let anything be able to connect to anything under your control unless you have admin privilege over it as well’. Which is particularly a nightmare when you try to collaborate between two companies, each balking at the other’s hard requirement to have admin access to all network peers of interest.
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Corporations really, really love being admin on everybody elses devices. See kernel level anticheat.
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I feel like people have gotten zero trust (I don’t need to trust anybody) confused with “I don’t trust anybody”.
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I was listening to a podcast by packet pushers and they were like “So you meet a vendor, and they are like, ‘So what do you think zero trust means? We can work with that’”.
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This is just Uncle BOFH.
At moment, My family do not need Internet for the children, because our Family gatherings involve board and card games. We even do not watch TV. I would like to try pen and paper games like dungeons and dragons but in my neighborhood there is no group where I could fit in and train. ( and find a fitting game )
Wouldn’t it be enough to just create a seperate subnet?
Yeah, he did that…and then kept going for some reason. A separate subnet in a separate firewall zone that doesn’t forward anywhere but the internet should be sufficiently safe
Not for the kid.
Was he worried about the kid or his network lol?
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I’m very against Roblox. I know a kid who had a really hard time with online predators and a lot of it stated with Roblox. He’s 19 now. He and I were talking about it recently.
Parents think Roblox is like Minecraft bc of the aesthetics of the game. But, Roblox is not a game with a chat feature, it’s a chat room with some games. That’s a big difference.
They have 380 million users. Around 60% of the user base is under the age of 16. 40% is under the age of 12. That’s 152 million mostly unmonitored kids.
I’m sure Roblox has gotten better moderation during that time, but in our experience predators meet kids on Roblox and get them to exchange Discord or other contact info with them.
Discord is also a problem here, but that’s for another rant in another thread. If you are concerned about your kids and want to discuss it with me, feel free to message me.
TLDR: DO NOT LET YOUR KIDS PLAY ROBLOX unless you are actively monitoring the game.
I’m sure Roblox has gotten better moderation during that time
Quite the opposite.
A friend’s 8 year old daughter was asking to play Roblox recently and they reached out to me since it’s in my current area of study and advised them against it due to the lack of responsibility that the corporation takes for their users.
I suggested that they introduce her to Vintage Story on a self hosted server instead. That way, they can control who has access and content.
I’m actually surprised at how many parents let their kids play Roblox unmonitored. I mean, why not let them go to the playground unmonitored instead?
Vintage Story
Bro threw them straight into the deep end lmao
why not let them go to the playground unmonitored instead?
That would actually be the safer option imo.
45 minutes setting up an alt vlan?
Was he getting paid by the hour?
The experience of managing a consumer-grade LAN appliance:
Open web browser
Start typing 192.168.0.1
It auto-inserts 192.168.0.12 because that’s the IP address of your NAS, and you’ve logged into it to adjust something at some point in the last six months. You register it has done this as you’re releasing the Enter key.
click Back.
Type the IP address again, this time carefully deleting the 2 it oh so helpfully inserted.
Wait 3 to 5 business weeks while the 16-bit ARM microcontroller they put in these things serves a web page like old people fuck. It loads to a completely useless stats page that has no information that anyone has ever needed to know.
Click LAN Setup.
Wait 3 to 5 business weeks while the 16-bit ARM microcontroller they put in these things serves a web page like old people fuck.
Parse the wall of acronyms before you, click the link that says DHCP.
Wait 3 to 5 business weeks while the 16-bit ARM microcontroller they put in these things serves a web page like old people fuck.
It continues in that fashion until you get what you need done or your network stops working and you have to get a pen and press the Reset button on the back of the device.
