This brings the total under this administration to $167 Billion in relief for 4.75 million borrowers.

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    Projection, you’re literally voting for someone you don’t agree with, so you have a fundamental misunderstanding of democracy.

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      Who said i disagree with him? I dislike a very few things he’s doing, and disagree with how they’re handled. That’s it.

      I’m an adult though. So I understand nuance. And I also know that compromise is how things get accomplished.

      Go ahead and look through a history book and see how many times protest votes and not booting succeeded in actionable results.

      I’ll wait here.

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        Who said i disagree with him?

        You claim to be against genocide several times on your account.

        And I also know that compromise is how things get accomplished.

        Your strategy has managed to move this country to the extreme right wing. Time to admit it doesn’t work and try something else.

        Go ahead and look through a history book and see how many times protest votes and not booting succeeded in actionable results.

        Oh the irony, you’re the one with reading to do. I’m building a movement to improve the country and it starts with support. You would be proudly shouting down civil rights protestors back in the day.

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          So…. You didn’t check to see how many times doing nothing has brought change.

          I’m still waiting.

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            You’re the one doing nothing, yes I went though history and checked, turns out not doing anything like you changes nothing. Your plan: vote dem and do nothing for 4 years. My plan: build a movement by supporting the Green party so we have an opposition forcing the Dems to give concessions.

            Hilarious.

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              The only way that could possibly effective is if it was paired with comprehensive voting reform in every state (well, every state that matters).

              A third party cannot win with the current first-past-the-post system. It’s so obvious that I can’t imagine why it would need to be explained. Have a good leftist candidate, it’ll take votes from the liberal. Popular conservative alt candidate, will take votes from the Republican. With our current roughly 50/50 balance, either one could result in the candidate with less support for their ideology winning. That’s how you end up with something like (theoretically) 25% Stein, 35% Biden, 40% Trump, and Trump wins because he had the plurality. Great.

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                The only way that could possibly effective is if it was paired with comprehensive voting reform in every state (well, every state that matters).

                Yes, we’re working on that unlike the Dems.

                A third party cannot win with the current first-past-the-post system.

                Yeah they can, if you vote for them.

                That’s how you end up with something like (theoretically) 25% Stein, 35% Biden, 40% Trump, and Trump wins because he had the plurality. Great.

                RFK not exist?

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                  If EVERYONE who would otherwise vote D voted for them, yes. That’s not going to happen, hence the scenario I gave which you quoted. Split the non-conservative vote between two parties, and the conservatives win - how is that going to help?

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                    Conservative vote is being split by libertarians and RFK, so it’s a great opportunity for the Green party. Notice how the spoiler argument is never used against the libertarians?

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              You’re going to…. “Build a movement.” Right. So, while you were checking on how much change was brought by doing nothing, did you come across the myriad people that “built movements?”

              Because that shit pretty much started back in the 60’s. And it took them until 1984 to even start the Green Party. And they’re been “building movements” since.

              So what exactly are you going to do differently than people more organized and smarter than you didn’t do over the past four decades?

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                You’re going to…. “Build a movement.” Right. So, while you were checking on how much change was brought by doing nothing, did you come across the myriad people that “built movements?”

                Wow, someone actually arguing that historically movements did not start small, you’re a smart one /s.

                Because that shit pretty much started back in the 60’s. And it took them until 1984 to even start the Green Party. And they’re been “building movements” since.

                More than you’ve ever achieved in your life.

                So what exactly are you going to do differently than people more organized and smarter than you didn’t do over the past four decades?

                I use my skills in web development to help them out with several state party websites, and much more. So happy I have things to be proud of instead of being you.

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                  ROFL…. That sure is a lot of assumptions you made in a lot of nonsense filled paragraphs.

                  I sincerely hope you don’t develop this “movement” of yours with as much ignorance as you’ve presented here in this discussion, because I don’t see many people taking you seriously

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      You’re voting third party in a First Past the Post election structure, so you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the specific incarnation of democracy you exist within.

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          That doesn’t mean it works well in those countries. Plus, there are other differences to how their governments are structured.

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              Voting in primaries for people who support it would help. In general elections, how will that help since they can’t get elected?

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                  It’s not worth doing that if it puts Republicans in charge, especially now when they’re basically planning on installing a dictator.