He got 2000 “wrong”… Or did he?

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    4 months ago

    His hypothesis is that elections are mostly not about individuals. People vote for Team Blue or Team Red. And given the embrace by evangelicals of a criminal who has never read the bible, I think he may have a point.

    The only individual characteristic that matters is incumbency, which is why Democrats shouldn’t throw that advantage away.

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      The only individual characteristic that matters is incumbency,

      The incumbent lost in 2020. There may be other factors.

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        The only individual characteristic that matters is incumbency.

        Most other factors mostly do not depend on the individual who is running. For example, recession, military victories/losses, results of midterm elections, significant third party challenger, etc. The party can run anyone and it would not affect those points.

        However, I overlooked another individual characteristic: there is an extra point if the incumbent is a victorious military leader or has significant appeal to members of the opposing party. The only person to get that point in this century was Obama, and only in 2008.

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          The only person to get that point in this century was Obama, and only in 2008.

          The only one to win the Democratic primaries, at least.

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          Since then, his signature legislation has failed to pass as intended, he’s broken a strike, he’s supported a genocide, he’s moved to the right on immigration, and he’s claimed to have defeated Medicare. He’s alienated his base and demonstrated that people who were fretting about his age might have been on to something after all.

          He beat Trump in a nail-biting squeaker of a contest in 2020, and centrists have been pretending he’s invincible ever since.

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              Oh boohoo, my team didn’t win everything it wanted so I’m going to take my ball and go home.

              Your team didn’t? Did Biden not move far enough to the right for you?

              Still by far the most progressive president in my lifetime.

              I see. He really isn’t far enough to the right for you. Well you should vote for him anyway. No matter who and all that.

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                I’ve never met a single person who thinks any of them could actually get the popular or electoral vote, at this point replacing Biden with another Democrat would be far more likely.

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                    About 25 to 50 percent, depending on which Polling Aggregate source you’re using for Biden currently. Which would presumably improve with another candidate.

                    25% From the economist

                    40% From The Hill

                    50% From 538

                    Meanwhile, RFK Jr., the highest polling of the third party candidates, has less than 1% chance of winning enough electoral votes.

                    However, my original point wasn’t that a Biden replacement would do better than RFK or a third party in the general (though they certainly would), but that if you dislike Biden, him being replaced is more likely than a third party candidate ever winning.