Comprehensive sex ed teaches students how to say no. It teaches them what to look out for if some creep is trying to groom them.
Conservatives prefer their victims to be naive.
It also teaches kids that there is such a thing as an unforgivable action, IE that it is not just their right to, but bordering on their duty to set and enforce boundaries that they have the right to cut people out of their lives for breaching.
There is nothing conservatives fear more in this world than the idea of something that can permanently earn them the judgement and condemnation of others. To be judged by the content of their character, and that alone.
And that it isn’t the fault of the one in a position of power when they rape, but the naive one.
And not just for sexual assault, sexual shame is openly praticed as a mind control mechanism
You got that right.
Religion.
You should be 18 or older to attend any religious event. Our youth have been indoctrinated long enough.
I know this is probably not going to be a popular take but honestly that seems pretty distopian as in many cases it’s pretty hard to separate religion from culture so are you really going to force a Hindu family to feed their kids beef cuz they aren’t old enough to practice a religion that happens to be a part of their Indian culture I know amarica has failed a lot at being the land of the free but this just seems like a step in the wrong direction
No. What you do in your own home (to an extent) is your own family business. Just like letting a 15 year old try alcohol at home is reasonable in my opinion. It should be illegal to indoctrinate your children into religion (outside of your home).
I can’t think of a rule more likely to drive children into religion than banning children from religion.
Couple that with the very natural existential crisis moment kids have when they really start thinking about their own mortality and you’ve got a recipe for another religious Great Awakening.
I’m gonna go out on a limb and say religions are doing great at driving the next generations away by doing whatever they’ve been doing.
Not following. Why would banning children from religion drive children into religion? You think teenagers would “rebel” by going going to Church or studying a fake book? Lol.
All kids become porn stars because porn is banned for children. Sound logic there champ.
There are areligious people who are nevertheless puritanical.
Sure, but they’re just victims of cultural spillover from religion. It’s all rooted in religion.
I respectfully disagree. It’s rooted in patriarchy, which utilizes religion as a method of systemic reinforcement. There are plenty of religions that aren’t sexually repressive.
I suspect this as well. Most people alive today were born into a highly religious culture. 85% of America was Christian in 200 and it was even higher the farther back you go
I have an acquaintance who, if anyone ever talks about the subject of sex Ed around, he will insist that they will just teach the kids about blood play and it will spread STDs.
So that’s the level of logic we may be dealing with here.
I have a reaallly stupid niece-in-law who prefers to keep her daughter from hanging out with her little cousin (my grand-daughter) because my daughter taught her own daughter that it’s called a vagina and not a tee-tee or what-ever-the-fuck the niece-in-law insists on calling it. She literally does not want her daughter exposed to the word ‘vagina’. I think the world of my nephew, but his wife can kick rocks…
When my child was young a doctor told me that if a child is sexually abused and doesn’t use the proper words to describe their genitals the chance of conviction drops drastically.
Isolation is how abuse happens.
Isolating children from the knowledge they can use to express how and if their boundaries are crossed only serves predators.
I said something similar on r/politics on Reddit and they banned me for homophobia. I was like WTF?
I feel like there must be a lot of context missing there.
There really wasn’t. I said kids need sex education at a young age so they know what a ‘bad touch’ is and I was banned for homophobia out of the blue. And when I tried to get a clarification, they muted me.
I feel like there must be a lot of context missing there.
Okay, what context would you like?
The text of your comment that got you banned
Sorry, I don’t have a photographic memory. Suffice it to say, it didn’t mention LGBT+ people in any context, which is why it was out of the blue.
I don’t know for sure but Reddit treated me that way too
Knowing reddit these days, probably not
The context is that the mods of r/politics have long had a reputation for being inconsistent and erratic in various ways.
Obviously I don’t actually know the full context, but it strikes me as utterly plausible given the likelihood of a report by someone who disagreed with them and a mod team prone to shooting from the hip
The context is that reddit is run by nazi sympathizers.
Reddit’s ran by nazis
Reddit is dumb like that
And that, indeed, is the purpose.
I understand why books that tell kids about sex are causing conservative parents to freak out, because conservative parents hold a bizarre belief that everyone has to just pretend sex isn’t happening all around the world all the time. For some reason, this totally normal part of life must never, ever be discussed openly, and kids especially must for some reason believe in storks until a certain age.
I think conservative parents are only afraid of teaching kids about sex because they’re afraid of sex.
I also have a suspension they don’t want the kids able to identify the inappropriate sexual abuse they are committing on the kids, startling how often these uptight cunts end up being pedos.
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I think they fear sex because it involves a certain cutting lose and abandonment of yourself. When you’re accustomed to a simple and rigid structure based on simple rules, this freedom can be experienced as a pretty deep and fundamentally frightening discomfort.
When your whole life is spent feeling so tight and wound up because you’re basically walking a clearly black-and-white tightrope, this freedom probably feels straight up Satanic to some of them.
Remember, religious folks do not hold rationality as the highest measure of something, and you probably wouldn’t either if you hadn’t been trained in the skill. It has its uses, but there’s much more important measures in their world. Life is not supposed to make complete sense to them, ever. This is why God works so often in “mysterious ways” and remains a father figure to be heeded and honored, moreso than a subject to be considered or pondered fairly.
edit: Just occured to me, but it’s akin to an ex-con who gets out of prison but has to deal with being institutionalized, where they became accustomed to that simple, rigid life and don’t remember how to live in the regular world. Now, they were once free men. How much harder would it have been had they been born into that simple, rigid institution?
They’re all Shawshank Redemptioned. Like Brooks. Like Morgan Freeman was probably gonna be, if not for his friend.
Veterans experience something like this as well, when they try to retire from the army and come home from war. They often struggle to adapt back into our extreme levels of freedom and nonchalance.
This analysis is pretty thorough compared to what I’m used to, and throws a lot of hypotheses out there… but I would hypothesize this way, too. Unless you have sources you’d like to share? Don’t mean to be intimidating or argumentative–I think what you’re saying is true, but I’m still curious of the (sociological? psychological?) science behind it.
As an aside, I feel so bad for some people (like childhood victims of sexual abuse).
Valid questions. No, I’m no professional, nor have I studied in this field. This is personal opinion based on my own anecdotal experiences.
I suspect there probably is a more rigorous exploration of this idea somewhere, we can’t be the first people to notice the commonalities. But I am not qualified to process or judge the studies, and I do know that social science work is particularly challenging due to the difficulties of cramming people into laboratories and performing conclusive experimentation upon them.
Idk, where I’m from, sex ed is minimal and abstinence only, parents can still pull kids out of it and the bulk of parents that do had their first child before age sixteen.
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Yes. And want to seem surprised.
A lot of good answers here. One component I haven’t seen here is that a lot of parents have this naive notion that their kids are complete Innocents and they’ll stay that way if no one tells them about things like sex. It’s moronic because they’ve forgotten that when they were kids they got urges and experimented whether someone explained things to them or not. They want their kids ignorant to keep them from growing up.
It’s even more moronic these days when anyone with internet access can get to all manner of stuff. I personally wanted our kids to get sex education before they got curious and started searching for things that they weren’t ready to see or understand.
Remember… marriage is a religious institution. Premarital/extramarital sex is bad because people like having sex and … if you convince everyone that you need to be married to have sex or your going to hell, then the church effectively becomes the arbiter of who can have sex.
Which means all the horny fucks in their congregation follow their rules so they can get married. Also means that the kids will be forced to grow up in the church and gives control of who they happen to start banging… because god is racist and doesn’t like mixed peoples…
I imagine there’s also an aspect of instilling a culture of shame around something that constitutes as a basic human need. That way people will invariably have at least one basic “temptation” to crawl into church to plead forgiveness over before seeking deeper religious indoctrination.
And do that whole confession thing which would surprise me a lot if it turned out was never used for leverage.
don’t forget that people who leave the church don’t tithe
I genuinely believe that all the tabooisation around sex is a holdover from the days where birth control wasn’t readily available.
There was an economic incentive for People Who Own Stuff to control procreation, because this allows them to control who inherits their stuff.
There was a personal incentive for most people to control procreation to prevent their children of making A Mistake™ by getting stuck with The Wrong Person™.
Where there’s incentives, they’ll wind up being followed. Story as old as time.
Cloaking all that in religion is just window dressing so one doesn’t have to admit their true reasoning, but a purely secular pre-contraception society would also have tried to regulate sex.
At the same time as not contraception, infant mortality was ridiculously high. To the point that people that high estimates put the IMR at about 1/3.
There’s a reason people married young historically- they needed to start getting kids popping out. Or at least that was the mentality. More kids meant more stability and safety. Kids were free labor, the first male would inherit most or everything so that wasn’t really a problem. So they popped out a lot because the first five years were… awful.
Sex, especially gay sex, is icky. But all sex is actually icky. Unless you’re doing it to procreate. Then you make it happen as fast as possible and pray for forgiveness both before and afterward.
You also turn off the lights and shut the curtains, lest you see something!
Missionary position only too.
You forgot /s? I hope?
I didn’t think it was necessary.
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Banned for homophobia.
Because then they will have the tools to report abuse.
Bingo! This is why Republicans hate all education, because it makes harder for them to be manipulated.
So imagine a society dominated by men.
This society knows that sex is what leads to children. What it doesn’t know is how to verify if a child belongs to a particular man.
As this society is patriarchal in nature, it’s very important to the leaders/men that their lineage is protected. So they need a way to ensure that children’s bloodline can be properly guaranteed. The only way to control that is to make sure that women are bound to a specific man, and that sex with any other man is forbidden/disgusting. This is why bastard children and unwed mothers have historically been treated with such disdain. But men were often given a pass. The women were screwing up lineage tracking.
Tracking is less an issue these days, but the social conditioning is still there. We’ve forgotten why we prioritized it in the first place (right or wrong). Now it’s the way many people think because it’s been the way we’ve behaved for so long, much of society is geared around it being a basic truth.
Well, that article gave me two books to help teach my children! Thanks!
For the general public it is because of social conditioning through various means such as society and religion. In truth the powers that be such as social and religious leaders push this concept of “sex is bad” as a means of control. It’s all about control. The easiest way to brainwash a bunch of people into doing your bidding is to keep them isolated and frustrated.
These institutions are pure evil and must be dismantled
Because they don’t want their teens to be forced to give birth.
I think it’s the other way around, they want their teens to be forced to give birth…
As one senator(?) put it: it’s a beautiful thing when a 12 year old is married and gets pregnant.
Was that senator(?) talking about their own 12 year old?
I’d suspect not. They think it’s beautiful when other people’s teens are forced to give birth.
I’m gonna give them the benefit of the doubt and not assume they are a hypocrite… it doesn’t quite work in their favor…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOvmMW6bKvA
(For sake of accuracy it was a state senator)
The hypocrisy is the point.
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