What a frivolous waste of congressional speaking time. I thought these guys had real problems to solve? I thought Trump was gonna fix it all this time around? You’re telling me not even 1 week into his new term and he’s already thinking about how the job won’t be done in time?
Conservatives are pathetic.
That’s basically what I’ve been posting on Social Media anytime shit like this happens.
“How does this lower grocery prices?”
Ask whenever the Right or Center is listening, keep the message on “Trump is distracting you from what he isn’t doing, but should.”
Thank you for saying grocery instead of egg. So many people say eggs and it is going to age like milk when the bird flu recedes even though groceries will generally still be expensive otherwise.
If this fails, you can expect them to redefine what a “term” means. And if that fails they can simply cancel elections under “emergency” conditions and keep him in office for longer.
… and if that fails, they can just say “too bad” and do whatever they want anyway because who’s going to stop them?
And if everything they try fails then “see it wasn’t so bad”
I just want to point out that this is just one of the many many campaign promises he is trying to fulfill. Sure, it’s a big deal. But simply saying “conservatives are pathetic” is not only reactionary, it is wrong. Look at what is happening to immigrants. You might not see them as a problem, but conservatives do, and they are “solving” it.
Just saying, this shit is way scarier this time around. They’re fuckin’ moving.
On the other hand, better they do nothing than actuality successfully fucking everything up.
The worry is that perhaps Trump is smarter than he appears, and all he’s doing is showing his followers that he’s still all about setting up a autocratic government which they’ll get to be the muscle for, ready to do a violent takeover the moment elections stop working (just like last time, but this time better armed and better organised)
Trump, if anything, is much less smart than he appears. The guy managed to bankrupt a casino. That takes a special kind of stupid.
From the article:
Ogles’ resolution is tailored specifically to permit Trump to serve a third term, but not to allow three out of the four living former presidents to serve third terms.
It’s a Trump only privilege which, given the track record, could have been assumed, unfortunately.
I don’t think they want Obama running again… He whooped their ass twice.
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It’s Grover Cleveland’s time to shine
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It obviously won’t get close to passing but it would be incredible for Democrats if it did. He has zero margin in the House, nothing major is passing into law except tax cuts. All his executive order policies are inflationary.
So either he’s crashing the economy, taking the blame for continued inflation, or getting nothing of consequence done. And he’d be 83 and asking for four more years. He’d get crushed.
We’ve played this game twice now. Let’s not try a third game of fascism chicken
That said Obama vs trump would be a funny campaign. “My fellow Americans, look at this absolute buffoon. You want proof I’m a natural born citizen? I’ve been stuck here with him too.”
This amendment’s wording wouldn’t allow Obama or Clinton to run again. Only Trump.
He has never won as the incumbent.
And while i think he’d struggle in that scenario I’ve gotten very wary of people (myself included) thinking “he can’t possibly win in this scenario” because that’s twice now been the prelude to defeat. Wheras in 2020 he was taken as a serious threat from the start
That was one race, and during a pandemic that probably would have lost the race for any incumbent, whether it made logical sense or not.
Frankly I kind of wish he won his second term if he had to get another term at all. His bruised ego over losing, fear of legal consequences, and time away to stew on this have made him a far more dangerous president than last time.
I miss having this level of certainty that he has no chance.
He will use Musk’s money, again, to cheat, again, in my opinion.
Of course he will wreck the rather healthy US economy and break the unemployment record again, which he currently holds from his 1st term.
The Right has outgrown their use for masks.
To amend the United States Constitution, a proposed amendment must be approved by Congress and ratified by three-fourths of the states. The process is outlined in Article V of the Constitution.
Congress: A two-thirds majority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate is required
Constitutional convention: Two-thirds of state legislatures must call for a convention
Ratification: Three-fourths of state legislatures or conventions must ratify the amendment
Each state legislature must vote on the amendment in an up-or-down vote
State legislatures cannot change the language of the amendment
This is DOA
Seriously. It’s obviously abhorrent, but thankfully as of now there’s zero chance of it passing. Save your energy for the many things that warrant shock and disgust.
Trump is not exactly a spring chicken. He is one mild medical event to being in the history book.
COVID nearly killed him and RFK is antivax sycophant. I’m not a betting man but…
Great, than we end up with Vance aka the young, healthy, couch-fucking, monarchist who lacks Trump’s compulsive need for worship.
Vance used to be the face of Never Trump, which makes his actual motives a mystery. The best possibility would rely on him pulling a long con, but so would the worst possibility.
Seems more like someone sucking up to Trump rather than something they realistically believe they could get passed
That’s a really dangerous way of thinking. We can no longer normalize this stuff by going “it’ll never actually happen.” It CAN happen. Get your head out of the sand and stop minimizing the very real threat our democracy is facing.
What democracy? We’ve been living in a police state our entire lives. Talk about a dangerous way of thinking, ffs, how many hundreds of thousands of people were murdered under the Bush administration alone, and you act like that was just healthy democracy? Why were Bush and Obama on the same page about the erosion of our civil liberties and global imperialism? I swear, some of you are just miles from the correct explanation.
This one won’t happen though. It doesn’t have the votes. It would require a Constitutional amendment, and thus a LOT of Democrats on board.
You can’t freak out about every possible thing.
When every possible thing is this fucking freaky, we can indeed freak out about them.
And we were all overreacting about Roe v Wade. “Precedent”, “established law”, “checks and balances”. It could never happen, they said.
I really would like to see some of those checks and balances I’ve heard so much about. Must have gotten confused—it’s cheques for the rich, on our dime, to make their balance keeps going up.
Yeah there is less than zero percent chance this happens.
Reminder that they control all branches of government and can do whatever the hell they want.
Even though I partially agree that it’s probably somebody sucking up instead of them passing a “remove all term limits” bill instead.
Or maybe they’re just testing the waters and compliance of the people currently elected, heck if I know.
Wonderful idea, I can’t wait for a third Obama term.
It’s written to exclude Obama.
It’s written specifically to exclude Bush, Clinton, and Obama, Trump is the only person it can apply to.
The neo-Nazi filled GOP can shove their 3rd term idea where the sun does not shine.
Knowing Trump, I wouldn’t be surprised if he went full Nayib Bukele and sent in troops to influence the vote.
And as much as I like Bukele, he presided over unique circumstances where his country was effectively being ruled by MS-13 and his actions were warranted in the case of being elected leader of a country ruled by drug overlords. The USA is going through no such crisis.
God damn. I’ve never seen a group of people lick asshole so hard and ask for seconds. These people box Trump’s tonsils digging that tongue so far in it’s unbelievable
As planned, the stunlock proceeds
It’s impressive how hard these people lick boots.
But also how shameless they are, doing it in full public view
And the gargling too
And the gagging also
Good fucking luck with that hurdle.
They need a two-thirds vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate; or a conventio called by Congress at the request of two-thirds of the state legislatures. Then it has to be ratified by the legislatures of three-quarters of the states.
Even if they managed a super majority on both sides of Congress for Trumplefuck, there’s no way they’re getting 38 States to agree to that.
I don’t think the law is a restricting factor for the trump regime.
That’s what the Trump regime wants us to think.
Laws only apply if they are enforced.
Which is why I often find myself saying the Trump admin will face one of two types of justice: vigilante or none.
It’s sad that you guys still think the rule of the constitution is some massive roadblock that they’ve somehow missed. They literally made an Executive Order that just says “No” to the very first sentence of the 14th amendment, do you think none of them noticed? They get to have a vote about ludicrous things, and they get to gleefully destroy the lives of any Republican who dares vote against them. Maybe it gets struck down for the time being? Who cares, the courts are packed, they can realistically just start killing people pretty soon and it’ll start with the disloyals and the true believers as needed as it always does.
You cannot logical trap nor get off on technicalities fascists. It does not matter to them, they will just do what they want anyways, all that matters is if they can crush anyone who tries to stop them.
They are pushing the boundaries of the conversation and they are testing the waters, and every time they’re pushed back on they use the limp push back to consolidate more power because nobody has been willing to actually stop them.
With all due respect, that is some real defeatist dog shit. Yes, Trump and cronies have no respect for the constitution or the rule of law. But if we collectively roll over at the first fascist executive order, that’s exactly what they want us to do… They are testing the waters. The supreme court is packed, but every circuit court in the country certainly isn’t. And that’s where these battles are already being fought. We need to collectively resist every encroachment, every power grab. Otherwise we’re nearly as culpable as Trump for the rise of fascism.
If you aren’t willing to kill them then they will inch forward until they win. That is why civil wars have existed.
Violence isn’t the only way to fight fascism. It’s surely a way. But the courts and the school districts are two early battle grounds where folks are already pushing back (non-violently) and preventing some of that inching forward.
Preventing some, some of the time, is how you get here, inch by inch, and eventually earlier wins become future losses.
Look at it this way… We have a portfolio of tools to fight fascism. Sometimes, yes, the proper response to a specific incursion is direct action. Sometimes you can accomplish more with other means (fighting back in the courts, etc.). It doesn’t have to be all or nothing, and in fact I’d argue you accomplish the most by picking your tools wisely for each battle.
There are only two tried and true methods I am aware of to stop fascists:
- Killing them
- Making them kill themselves
I’m going to enjoy seeing this comment get removed. I’ll think about it as I’m put on the train to the death camp.
I think the logic is sound… If anyone is allowed to introduce legislation against established reforms infinitely many times, you get gish galloped to death and they will eventually get their way no matter how terrible the idea is. Because it’s a deep ideology, you must get rid of the person to get rid of the idea.
Trump is the candidate during next election
Red States let him be an option even though they shouldn’t
He wins enough red States to have a majority
They name him president even though it’s against the Constitution
The supreme Court is packed with his picks so they don’t do anything about it
Tada! Civil war? Dissolution of the USA? Who knows!?!
This.
We need to stop acting like the norms matter at all, like the rules still apply. We must treat this like what it is: a threat to our very survival.
The US government, at least the parts that actually could do something about this, are on the brink of total collapse or dismantlement. I hate to say it but I think the time for peaceful resistance is long since past, i don’t see any way this is going to end without bloodshed
Trump is ruling by executive order and no one is stopping him from doing any of it, constitutional or not.
He’ll just issue an executive order to lower the threshold and at best that order gets challenged and goes to the SCOTUS, and we all know what will happen there.There’s already an injunction against one of his orders. I’m sure more will come.
Unfortunately those are only for the states that filed suit against it.
The only effective short-term roadblocks are going to be legal challenges, like the ones WA’s governor and AG have been preparing for. You’re right that this only works until it gets overturned by SCOTUS, and it doubly hurts progressives because we now have to spend resources (time and money) fighting nonsense instead of fighting for causes we want…like some goddamn healthcare.
Delay. Deny. Depose.
The Night of the Long Knives would like to have a word with you
It’s obviously completely performative, this is a very common move in US politics in general, I’ve noticed–introducing a bill they know is definitely not going to pass, but makes them look good to their base.
